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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Yes, I feel the same about our school system here. It is mediocre at best. I wonder what role teachers unions play into all of this. Let's be honest, they do tend to encourage a kind of "mediocrity." I know this was a big problem in a small city nearby to where I live (actually in the next state but close enough by where I hear their news). The head of education in that town actually fired teachers, and there was a HUGE uproar about it from the teachers unions, but these teachers were NOT up to par, and many of them were very much under. The union still wanted to protect them though, at the cost of our students and their educations.

    Even back when I was in school I remember having more mediocre teachers who could not keep a child's interest, than the interesting teachers who actually took an interest in their students and what made them "tick" so to speak. Those few teachers who took a real interest in the students made learning fun for all of us!
    Imagine the horror, in Germany, 90%+ of the schools are even public, and the teachers are usually state employees who cannot be fired (unless there is gross misconduct -- just being a very bad teacher is not enough)! Imagine that!

    However, I think teachers and schools are only one side of the problem ... there seems to be an increasing number of parents who either cannot or don't want to properly educate their children, the latter assuming it's the job of the teachers and blaming the schools for everything that goes wrong. Or parents with extreme expectations towards their children, who simply cannot accept when they're not talented on certain fields, and then blame the teachers -- or who overextend their children, tiger-mom-style, exerting way too much pressure on them until they finally break and/or revolt against the school/teachers. In some "hipster" quarters in Berlin, it's even more or less expected from parents to send their 3 year old children to private Chinese lessons ...
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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Johnson View Post
    Yeah, really intelligent to resort to ad hominem shaming language.
    Don't be silly! That's only Central European humor.

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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Don't be silly! That's only Central European humor.
    Yeah, for "real men", some guys are pretty whiny, eh? "Boo-hoo, I'm a victim! The world is against me! Boohooo!"
    "Not learning from mistakes is worse than committing mistakes. When you don't allow yourself to make mistakes, it is hard to be tolerant of others and it does not allow even God to be merciful."

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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Don't be silly! That's only Central European humor.
    I forgot libs tend to find humor in the most mundane ways and places.
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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    Well I don't know how it is in America, but that term is usually used in Germany, in my experience, by parents who have no problem shrugging off the behavior of their boys, who are schoolyard bullies, intimidating weaker pupils (often including girls) and generally showing no respect whatsoever for weaker fellows, as "typical boy behavior".

    I'm sure boys are to some extent different than girls, but that doesn't mean you should let behavior pass that will qualify your boys best for a carreer as youth delinquents or gang mobsters, and would be considered a criminal offense when people 10 years older do it.

    And my guess is the main part of the gender difference many claim to observe is due to such double standards in parenting.
    Are boys in Germany put on mind altering drugs to control their behavior in class? In this case we are talking about children who don't pay attention to the teacher or are easily distracted. The other tack we see a lot in Texas is putting any children who have behavioral problems or poor grades in an alternative school. This has the all important effect of keeping test scores high for state assessment tests since children in alternative schools don't take the test. A school's rating on the state assessment has a big impact on housing prices within a school district, so the stakes here are high.

    Over the 4 years of high school almost half of the boys are sent out to alternative schools in one district I know of (Friendswood ISD). Few girls are treated this way.

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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    Yeah, for "real men", some guys are pretty whiny, eh? "Boo-hoo, I'm a victim! The world is against me! Boohooo!"
    This is the wannabe alpha male getting off on pouring scorn on other men. It's just one of the things men learn to put up with.

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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    This is the wannabe alpha male getting off on pouring scorn on other men. It's just one of the things men learn to put up with.
    What are you even talking about?
    "Not learning from mistakes is worse than committing mistakes. When you don't allow yourself to make mistakes, it is hard to be tolerant of others and it does not allow even God to be merciful."

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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    This is the wannabe alpha male getting off on pouring scorn on other men. It's just one of the things men learn to put up with.
    I doubt Alpha males go "boo hoo" under any circumstances, even as a joke.

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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    I explicitly stated that I oppose zero tolerance.
    So? Stop trying to rationalize the impacts of zero tolerance education with all of this "boys deserve to get in trouble" crap then. Stop trying to defend a clearly failed and ineffective system simply because it gives you an excuse partake in flamebaiting misandrist hackery.

    I fail to see how this is a hard concept, Sangha.

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    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    Well I don't know how it is in America, but that term is usually used in Germany, in my experience, by parents who have no problem shrugging off the behavior of their boys, who are schoolyard bullies, intimidating weaker pupils (often including girls) and generally showing no respect whatsoever for weaker fellows, as "typical boy behavior".

    I'm sure boys are to some extent different than girls, but that doesn't mean you should let behavior pass that will qualify your boys best for a carreer as youth delinquents or gang mobsters, and would be considered a criminal offense when people 10 years older do it.

    And my guess is the main part of the gender difference many claim to observe is due to such double standards in parenting.
    While I am inclined to believe that even anti-bullying measures tend to be somewhat overblown these days, the unfortunate fact of the matter is that bullying isn't even what most boys are getting in trouble for.

    They're getting in trouble over idiotic things like making pretend guns with their fingers and (consentually, I might add) kissing girls on the cheek. They are also being doped up in order to ensure that they conform to the ludicrously unrealistic standards of behavior schools have chosen to enforce.

    I wouldn't say that the "sky is falling" here or anything, but it would seem to be fairly clear that there is, in fact, a problem.
    Last edited by Gathomas88; 02-28-14 at 06:27 PM.

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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    While I am inclined to believe that even anti-bullying measures tend to be somewhat overblown these days, the unfortunate fact of the matter is that bullying isn't even what most boys are getting in trouble for.

    They're getting in trouble over idiotic things like making pretend guns with their fingers and (consentually, I might add) kissing girls on the cheek. They are also being doped up in order to ensure that the conform to the ludicrously unrealistic standards of behavior schools have chosen to enforce.

    I wouldn't say that the "sky is falling" here or anything, but it would seem to be fairly clear that there is, in fact, a problem.
    When that's the case, I totally agree with you.
    "Not learning from mistakes is worse than committing mistakes. When you don't allow yourself to make mistakes, it is hard to be tolerant of others and it does not allow even God to be merciful."

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