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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ray410 View Post
    Except I hadn't said anything of the sort.
    I had the OP in mind.
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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    Well sorry if I offended anybody, but I simply couldn't take this polemic hyperbole about "men being victims" seriously. Again, sorry, I'll try to avoid such statements now.
    No, please do go on.

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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Fortunately, you are neither a moderator nor the OP, and the OP specifically mentions education. If you don't want to discuss that here, then by all means, go away. We who want to have a serious discussion about this issue will not miss your temper tantrums.
    Read the title of the thread, and the OP.

    Also - feel free to ignore me. There's a button made just for that.

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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    Well I don't know how it is in America, but that term is usually used in Germany, in my experience, by parents who have no problem shrugging off the behavior of their boys, who are schoolyard bullies, intimidating weaker pupils (often including girls) and generally showing no respect whatsoever for weaker fellows, as "typical boy behavior".

    I'm sure boys are to some extent different than girls, but that doesn't mean you should let behavior pass that will qualify your boys best for a carreer as youth delinquents or gang mobsters, and would be considered a criminal offense when people 10 years older do it.

    And my guess is the main part of the gender difference many claim to observe is due to such double standards in parenting.
    Well, I didn't read where anyone was advocating for "bratty" behavior, just saying that maybe the way our education system is set up, it may favor girls over boys. A question for you, German guy, do you think this gender gap related to academic success is related to bad parenting? Perhaps little boys become discouraged with school at a young age. I wonder what kinds of effects all of this "medicating" our boys is going to have too.

    USATODAY.com - Girls get extra school help while boys get Ritalin

    Girls get extra school help while boys get Ritalin
    At last June's graduation at Franklin High School just outside of Milwaukee, three of the four students who tied for valedictorian were girls. Among the National Honor Society members, 76% were girls. And girls comprised 85% of the students on Franklin's 4.0 honor roll.
    The superintendent of schools for this upper-middle-class suburb, Gerald Freitag, investigated those numbers after the parents of a boy filed a complaint. He found that the skewed performances by gender at Franklin pretty much mirror the imbalances across the state — and the nation.

    This week, teachers at the middle school feeding into Franklin received training on how to reach out to boys. And high school teachers will continue the gender-sensitivity classes they began last school year.

    But reversing the trend will not be easy. In classrooms nationwide, girls are pulling ahead of boys academically. Recent federal testing data show that what starts out as a modest gap in elementary-level reading scores turns into a yawning divide by high school. In 12th grade, 44% of girls rate as proficient readers on federal tests, compared with 28% of boys. And while boys still score slightly higher on federal math and science exams, their advantage is slipping.

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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Read the title of the thread, and the OP.

    Also - feel free to ignore me. There's a button made just for that.
    No need for that. You can just stop being bossy and demanding. Oh, and as you can see that put in bold just for you where the OP specifically mentioned that he wanted to discuss education and how it might affect boys.

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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Let the girls have K-12. Once you get into secondary school, the numbers damn near flip.

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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Well, I didn't read where anyone was advocating for "bratty" behavior, just saying that maybe the way our education system is set up, it may favor girls over boys. A question for you, German guy, do you think this gender gap related to academic success is related to bad parenting? Perhaps little boys become discouraged with school at a young age. I wonder what kinds of effects all of this "medicating" our boys is going to have too.

    USATODAY.com - Girls get extra school help while boys get Ritalin
    I don't know enough about the American school system to comment on it, but yeah, the German school system is seriously screwed up. It doesn't take individual strengthes and weaknesses, as well as individual problems of the pupils into account. It basically teaches mediocrity. Poor students don't get the necessary extra help to make up, especially strong students soon get bored because they have no challenge. And pupils with troubles at home as well as certain medical conditions are way too often just shrugged off as "dumb", because the teachers don't feel responsible at all beyond giving grades.

    That the system doesn't need to be extraordinarily expensive yet work better, we can witness in Scandinavia or the Netherlands.
    "Not learning from mistakes is worse than committing mistakes. When you don't allow yourself to make mistakes, it is hard to be tolerant of others and it does not allow even God to be merciful."

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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Sorry, but I find the education aspect of this conversation much more fascinating than the marriage and American woman stuff.

    I really do think that in some instances, the way our education system is set up and how our children are expected to "behave" in school is sometimes in favor of girls, and I think that can have some long-term effects on boys and how they view education in general. I think it must be discouraging for some who maybe need different ways of expressing themselves.

    I definitely think that there have been a lot of changes made to our education system and that it is not like it once was, and that some of the expectations placed upon young children are unrealistic to say the least. I am certainly not a fan of the "No Child Left Behind" act which seems so superficial and shallow. It really doesn't solve any problems, and as an unintended consequence has actually created more problems IMO.

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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    Well sorry if I offended anybody, but I simply couldn't take this polemic hyperbole about "men being victims" seriously. Again, sorry, I'll try to avoid such statements now.
    I don't think they are "victims" per se, but I can see how some boys might find the school environment less than ideal for their educational needs. I don't think anyone (in general) is intentionally trying to hurt boys or men though.

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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    I don't know enough about the American school system to comment on it, but yeah, the German school system is seriously screwed up. It doesn't take individual strengthes and weaknesses, as well as individual problems of the pupils into account. It basically teaches mediocrity. Poor students don't get the necessary extra help to make up, especially strong students soon get bored because they have no challenge. And pupils with troubles at home as well as certain medical conditions are way too often just shrugged off as "dumb", because the teachers don't feel responsible at all beyond giving grades.

    That the system doesn't need to be extraordinarily expensive yet work better, we can witness in Scandinavia or the Netherlands.
    Yes, I feel the same about our school system here. It is mediocre at best. I wonder what role teachers unions play into all of this. Let's be honest, they do tend to encourage a kind of "mediocrity." I know this was a big problem in a small city nearby to where I live (actually in the next state but close enough by where I hear their news). The head of education in that town actually fired teachers, and there was a HUGE uproar about it from the teachers unions, but these teachers were NOT up to par, and many of them were very much under. The union still wanted to protect them though, at the cost of our students and their educations.

    Even back when I was in school I remember having more mediocre teachers who could not keep a child's interest, than the interesting teachers who actually took an interest in their students and what made them "tick" so to speak. Those few teachers who took a real interest in the students made learning fun for all of us!

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