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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Our only "issue" is that I don't agree that boys have a tougher time in school than girls.

    That says that boys are victims.
    That says that boys aren't as adaptable, or as smart as girls.

    I don't believe any such thing.

    There are many, many reasons why some kids get left behind, or are failed by the public school system, but having a penis isn't one of the reasons.
    I don't know where you get all of that nonsense. The simple fact of the matter is that boys and girls may learn differently a lot of the times. Recognizing the fact that, in most instances, boys and girls are different and might take a different approach to learning and socializing is certainly not an insult to either gender.

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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    Agreed. The reason is that too many parents use the term "boys will be boys" as an excuse for piss-poor parenting, that's why.
    Do you have proof of this allegation? Do you honestly think that boys and girls are the same and that perhaps the way our education system is set up, that it doesn't maybe favor one gender to have a favorable outcome, while maybe ignoring the needs of the other?

    So you have it all figured out, just "bad parenting." That must be why we have young, YOUNG boys on Ritalin.

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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    Okay, I see your point, and I concur the OP did not restrict the concept to just marriage. I guess I was focused more on the thread title. But I stand corrected.

    But as for education not being a 'one size fits all' philosophy as in how boys and girls are educated, I come from an earlier era where indeed the boys and girls were educated identically. We ALL had to go out for recess unless we had a note from home excusing us from recess. We ALL had to participate in P.E. unless excused by a doctor. And we all were expected to sit respectfully in our classrooms, pay attention, and not disrupt the class for the five or six hours that we were in class. And that was an era before Ritalin and other behavior modification drugs became common. Where the differences came in was in dress codes--the girls were required to wear modest dresses or skirts and blouses; the boys had to tuck their shirt tails in, etc. And later on in junior high (middle school) and high school when girls weren't allowed to take shop and boys weren't allowed to take home economics and the boys got the lion's share of the sports made available to students.

    Even so, with very few exceptions, the graduation rates were in the high 90 percentile range and we all got an education that equipped us to compete with anybody.

    And that was in the days when you would see ads on television: An SOS soap pads ad: "Girls, if you want your Mrs. degree, you had better learn how to shine in the kitchen." Can you imagine an ad like that on TV these days?????

    But us girls didn't really feel all that discriminated against or deprived. I figured out early on that if I wanted to compete in a man's world, I had to be as good or better than a man at what I do. I have applied that philosophy to a lengthy working life. And somehow I also knew that it was good and right for my husband to be head of our household and it did not diminish me at all as a woman and as a person to respect him in that role. Our children were also raised with that kind of perspective.

    Our focus should always be on what works, what is edifying, what is practical, what is successful. That often means putting a whole lot of political correctness crap way down on the list of priorities.
    I can't comment because I wasn't even a twinkling in my parents' eyes yet! I do know what I have observed and read though, and that is that teachers and school administrators are sometimes keen on putting little boys on mind-altering substances so that they "behave" in school. Sounds kind of like a bunch of "Stepford" children if you ask me. Perhaps it has to do with clothing, but I'm not sure.

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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Do you have proof of this allegation? Do you honestly think that boys and girls are the same and that perhaps the way our education system is set up, that it doesn't maybe favor one gender to have a favorable outcome, while maybe ignoring the needs of the other?

    So you have it all figured out, just "bad parenting." That must be why we have young, YOUNG boys on Ritalin.
    Well I don't know how it is in America, but that term is usually used in Germany, in my experience, by parents who have no problem shrugging off the behavior of their boys, who are schoolyard bullies, intimidating weaker pupils (often including girls) and generally showing no respect whatsoever for weaker fellows, as "typical boy behavior".

    I'm sure boys are to some extent different than girls, but that doesn't mean you should let behavior pass that will qualify your boys best for a carreer as youth delinquents or gang mobsters, and would be considered a criminal offense when people 10 years older do it.

    And my guess is the main part of the gender difference many claim to observe is due to such double standards in parenting.
    "Not learning from mistakes is worse than committing mistakes. When you don't allow yourself to make mistakes, it is hard to be tolerant of others and it does not allow even God to be merciful."

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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    boy vs. girl vs. public education is off-topic for this thread - somebody start a new one so this train wreck of a thread can get back off-course .....

    sorry for being part of the derailment....

    To refresh the main topic of the OP - men are victims of a massive social conspiracy to make men victims, for being men.....

    carry on....

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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    Someone's not getting laid, probably.
    Post is really disappointing and inappropriate personal attack nonsense. Why post at all?
    Last edited by Ray410; 02-28-14 at 02:37 PM.

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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    boy vs. girl vs. public education is off-topic for this thread - somebody start a new one so this train wreck of a thread can get back off-course .....

    sorry for being part of the derailment....

    To refresh the main topic of the OP - men are victims of a massive social conspiracy to make men victims, for being men.....

    carry on....
    I don't think men are generally victims. Individual people, male or female, are victims for different, individual reasons.

    *In general*, I'd say women are still individually facing many structural disadvantages, such as male rope teams in many professions that makes it more difficult for them to achieve than for men, but then, that's not the case in all professions and for all women. Also, in many fields, women are facing disadvantages on the labor market (at least in Germany), because they're expected to get a child and thus leave for a while, which is considered a disadvantage by many employers. Accordingly, women often get less pay for the same work. Way too often, women still are forced to choose between either carreer or family.

    For example, it's still the case that only around 10% of the top positions in German economy and politics are occupied by women, and nobody can tell me that's because women are ten times less competent or qualified on these fields.

    But then, that's just statistics. In some fields, like "caring" jobs such as nurses or nursery teachers, the situation is reversed and men suffer that disadvantage due to female rope teams and gender clichés in the minds of people.

    Then, there are still many stereotypical gender roles presents in the minds of both men and women, which cause disadvantages for many people, sometimes men (when they don't meet the typical male cliché in some circles), but statistically probably more often women.
    "Not learning from mistakes is worse than committing mistakes. When you don't allow yourself to make mistakes, it is hard to be tolerant of others and it does not allow even God to be merciful."

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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ray410 View Post
    Post is really disappointing personal attack nonsense. Why post at all?
    Well sorry if I offended anybody, but I simply couldn't take this polemic hyperbole about "men being victims" seriously. Again, sorry, I'll try to avoid such statements now.
    "Not learning from mistakes is worse than committing mistakes. When you don't allow yourself to make mistakes, it is hard to be tolerant of others and it does not allow even God to be merciful."

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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    For those who posted to pour scorn on men as "whining" about the way men are being treated in American society, you're just proving my point, are you not?

    To be clear, the OP was not a call to order a bride from Russia or turn to other foreign women. The main point was the way men are being treated and regarded in American society. If you claim not to know what I'm referring to then you are being willfully blind and disenginious. The discussion started with marriage because marriage is the locus of many of the legal and societal sanctions against men, and American women are particularly inclined to take full advantage of the lack of fairness, even regarding it as their birthright. Which is why so many men are voting with their feet and avoiding the roles of husband, father, and provider.

    It goes far, far beyond male dissatisfaction over the loss of traditional male roles and into the realm of unreasonable hatred and bigotry being directed toward men for no more than being men. Legal sanctions against men and disrespect of men are also strong on college campuses, and so we have seen a drop in male enrollment.

    But it starts even earlier than that, with boys being shunted to alternative schools and drugged for acting like boys instead of like girls, which is what teachers, which are almost all women, prefer. It isn't any wonder that by they time they leave high school many young men have had their fill of academe.
    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    boy vs. girl vs. public education is off-topic for this thread - somebody start a new one so this train wreck of a thread can get back off-course .....

    sorry for being part of the derailment....

    To refresh the main topic of the OP - men are victims of a massive social conspiracy to make men victims, for being men.....

    carry on....
    Fortunately, you are neither a moderator nor the OP, and the OP specifically mentions education. If you don't want to discuss that here, then by all means, go away. We who want to have a serious discussion about this issue will not miss your temper tantrums.

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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    Well sorry if I offended anybody, but I simply couldn't take this polemic hyperbole about "men being victims" seriously. Again, sorry, I'll try to avoid such statements now.
    Except I hadn't said anything of the sort.

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