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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    There's no "raging hatred of men" here.
    I just don't make pissy, childish excuses for us either.
    Men have ruled the world since the dawn of time.
    We hold the vast majority of positions of power.
    Who are the richest people in the world?
    Who are the most famous?
    Who are the most powerful?

    Even "GOD" is a male.

    Gimme a damned break.

    Where is all this nonsense coming from?
    Someone's not getting laid, probably.
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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    For those who posted to pour scorn on men as "whining" about the way men are being treated in American society, you're just proving my point, are you not?

    To be clear, the OP was not a call to order a bride from Russia or turn to other foreign women. The main point was the way men are being treated and regarded in American society. If you claim not to know what I'm referring to then you are being willfully blind and disenginious. The discussion started with marriage because marriage is the locus of many of the legal and societal sanctions against men, and American women are particularly inclined to take full advantage of the lack of fairness, even regarding it as their birthright. Which is why so many men are voting with their feet and avoiding the roles of husband, father, and provider.

    It goes far, far beyond male dissatisfaction over the loss of traditional male roles and into the realm of unreasonable hatred and bigotry being directed toward men for no more than being men. Legal sanctions against men and disrespect of men are also strong on college campuses, and so we have seen a drop in male enrollment.

    But it starts even earlier than that, with boys being shunted to alternative schools and drugged for acting like boys instead of like girls, which is what teachers, which are almost all women, prefer. It isn't any wonder that by they time they leave high school many young men have had their fill of academe.
    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    Hmmm, I check in to see how it's going with marrying off American women to American men, and find a discussion on education?

    Do you ever wonder how that happens?
    I think it was the OP, although I did post an article about education and boys versus girls. I don't think the topic can be limited to just marriage, as I think what the OP is actually complaining about is a bigger issue of alleged bias against men in general. The OP is claiming that men are disrespected not only in relationships but also in school and just in general. Not that I agree with that, but I do think he has a point when it comes to how we educate our young boys in the classroom setting and how education is certainly not a "one size fits all" philosophy.

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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    I thought the entire premise of this thread was a whiny "men are victims" rant of pathetic proportions?
    Yeah, that's what the OP was about. I never said that, so . . . I don't know what your issue is.

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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by NoC_T View Post
    No, just a prostitute. Still, I'm sure she went into it with her eyes (and legs) open. I ****ing know he did.
    That's not nice. Maybe they're in love.

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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    The public educational system changes all the time. A lot of schools have started to cut programs like recess and sports in recent years.

    Cutting Physical Education and Recess: Troubling Trends and How You Can Help

    "Zero tolerance" policies have exploded since the 1990s as well.

    What do you think happens when you take young boys, who tend to be far more aggressive and energetic than young girls anyway, and then remove their only real physical outlet for that aggression, while ramping up the penalties for even minor offenses to absurdly disproportionate degrees at the same time?

    A lot of boys wind up being labeled as "troublemakers," that's what. In some cases, this might very well lead them to be discriminated against by (largely female) teachers and school administration.

    Additionally, school curriculum and teaching methods these days often tend to change at the drop of the hat. As RiverDad has already pointed out, a lot of more modern curriculum emphasizes "busy work" over actual achievement. Simply because girls are more willing to do busy work, where boys are more likely to rebel against it, doesn't mean that boys are less intelligent, or less academically qualified.

    I'm certainly not claiming that boys are "victims" here, but there would appear to be some problems inherent to our current system which aren't doing them any favors at the present moment.
    I agree. There are schools where there is absolutely no contact allowed between students. They seem to forget that students also need to develop social skills, and boys and girls will naturally go about this in different ways.

    I can understand how the "cliche" is upsetting to some liberal men, but for some men there are just natural rights of passage into manhood, and although it might seem abnormal or even barbaric to some of the more liberal men, they have to remember that not everyone is like them.

    I know a lot of them are going to come out and say that is just societal conditioning or whatever, but I really think that hormones and just natural differences between boys and girls and the way they approach problems and relationships is normal for some and needs to be recognized.

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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I think it was the OP, although I did post an article about education and boys versus girls. I don't think the topic can be limited to just marriage, as I think what the OP is actually complaining about is a bigger issue of alleged bias against men in general. The OP is claiming that men are disrespected not only in relationships but also in school and just in general. Not that I agree with that, but I do think he has a point when it comes to how we educate our young boys in the classroom setting and how education is certainly not a "one size fits all" philosophy.
    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Yeah, that's what the OP was about. I never said that, so . . . I don't know what your issue is.
    Our only "issue" is that I don't agree that boys have a tougher time in school than girls.

    That says that boys are victims.
    That says that boys aren't as adaptable, or as smart as girls.

    I don't believe any such thing.

    There are many, many reasons why some kids get left behind, or are failed by the public school system, but having a penis isn't one of the reasons.

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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I think it was the OP, although I did post an article about education and boys versus girls. I don't think the topic can be limited to just marriage, as I think what the OP is actually complaining about is a bigger issue of alleged bias against men in general. The OP is claiming that men are disrespected not only in relationships but also in school and just in general. Not that I agree with that, but I do think he has a point when it comes to how we educate our young boys in the classroom setting and how education is certainly not a "one size fits all" philosophy.
    Okay, I see your point, and I concur the OP did not restrict the concept to just marriage. I guess I was focused more on the thread title. But I stand corrected.

    But as for education not being a 'one size fits all' philosophy as in how boys and girls are educated, I come from an earlier era where indeed the boys and girls were educated identically. We ALL had to go out for recess unless we had a note from home excusing us from recess. We ALL had to participate in P.E. unless excused by a doctor. And we all were expected to sit respectfully in our classrooms, pay attention, and not disrupt the class for the five or six hours that we were in class. And that was an era before Ritalin and other behavior modification drugs became common. Where the differences came in was in dress codes--the girls were required to wear modest dresses or skirts and blouses; the boys had to tuck their shirt tails in, etc. And later on in junior high (middle school) and high school when girls weren't allowed to take shop and boys weren't allowed to take home economics and the boys got the lion's share of the sports made available to students.

    Even so, with very few exceptions, the graduation rates were in the high 90 percentile range and we all got an education that equipped us to compete with anybody.

    And that was in the days when you would see ads on television: An SOS soap pads ad: "Girls, if you want your Mrs. degree, you had better learn how to shine in the kitchen." Can you imagine an ad like that on TV these days?????

    But us girls didn't really feel all that discriminated against or deprived. I figured out early on that if I wanted to compete in a man's world, I had to be as good or better than a man at what I do. I have applied that philosophy to a lengthy working life. And somehow I also knew that it was good and right for my husband to be head of our household and it did not diminish me at all as a woman and as a person to respect him in that role. Our children were also raised with that kind of perspective.

    Our focus should always be on what works, what is edifying, what is practical, what is successful. That often means putting a whole lot of political correctness crap way down on the list of priorities.
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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Our only "issue" is that I don't agree that boys have a tougher time in school than girls.

    That says that boys are victims.
    That says that boys aren't as adaptable, or as smart as girls.

    I don't believe any such thing.

    There are many, many reasons why some kids get left behind, or are failed by the public school system, but having a penis isn't one of the reasons.
    Agreed. The reason is that too many parents use the term "boys will be boys" as an excuse for piss-poor parenting, that's why.
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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    No, but he hasn't helped a bit. Yet another liberal who wants to play sugar daddy to all the women folk. Women emerge liberated and become independent only to become dependent on The Man? Maybe you saw the Life of Julia before the Obama campaign took it down. I can't see how any strong and intelligent person would endorse it. It spawned a number of parodies. A summary is here.
    Those poor women who can't fend for themselves! They all need a man!

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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    Someone's not getting laid, probably.
    Yeah, really intelligent to resort to ad hominem shaming language.
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