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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    The 19.4% who make over 4 million yen are marrying. The problem is with the 75% who make less than 4 million, which when converted to USD (approx $40K/yr) is less than avg salary compared to the US and for a nation where the cost of living is seems to be significantly higher.
    Considering the fact that the chart covers men between the ages of 20 and 39, it would appear that many are going unmarried either way regardless. Wages alone do not explain the discrepancy that can be presently observed in Japanese culture.

    At current estimates, more than 60% of Japanese women are not even married by age 30, and the statistic for men stands at more than 70%.

    There is also the following to consider.

    Wikipedia - Career Woman

    As decreases in job security and wages for males have negatively impacted the ability of the sole male-breadwinner family model, there is now increasing pressure for women to work outside the home in a dual-earner family model. The percentage of young women who believed that a man should work outside a home and that women should work inside dropped from 41.6% in 1997 to 27.8% in 2008, while for men the rate went from 40.7% to 34.3% respectively.[20] Similarly, the proportion of young women who expected to work until retirement rose from 15.3% in 1987 to 24.7% in 2010, while the proportion of men who expected their wives to do so rose from 10.5% to 32.7% in the same time period. The increasing acceptance of young Japanese adults of the dual-earner model has resulted in an increase of dual-earner young households from 32.4% in 2000 to 42.8% in 2009[21]
    The vast majority of young Japanese couples fully expect to live under a dual wage earner model. Very nearly half of them do so already, and this number is growing larger every year.

    This trend has existed for quite some time, as a matter of fact.

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    Marriage is, simply put, not at all unworkable from an economic perspective in Japan; at least not to the extent that would explain marriage rates depressed to the "bottom of the barrel" levels we see today. Many men and women alike have simply decided that the idea of marriage is more trouble that it is worth, and decided to opt out of it entirely as such.

    Again, the major factor here is, and always has been, personal choice and focus on materialism over family. If more Japanese people legitimately wanted marriage, they could have it.
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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    Nope, not in the least. It is unsurprising that PEOPLE, women or men, would not want to date someone who talks about them like objects and believes they're all in cahoots against them, rather than looking within for the reason they might be having issues.

    I am perfectly well aware of issues affecting men, and I have written about them extensively on DP, to the chagrin of most liberals, and to the speechless confusion of most conservatives. But almost every time you see someone whining about how it's all a feminist conspiracy, it's a guy who need look no further than his mirror to see the source of his problems.

    There is no "hatred" of men on a larger social level. This is a society whose current incarnation of feminism is essentially no different from the 1950's (they just call it "crunchy earth mother" instead of "Stepford wife"). There is institutional bigotry against men, but this is a result of patriarchy, not feminism -- after all, it isn't feminism that believes women are incapable of supporting themselves, now is it.

    We drug girls too. We just drug them with downers instead of uppers. We send them to a different kind of prison, called mental hospitals. Our homogenization of children affects both sexes.

    Your inability to see how these issues affect both sexes -- and this is a common growing pain at the mid-way point of any civil rights movement -- is the problem here. You have a comic book view of reality in which women are evil villains, and that simply is not reality.
    No, there is no symmetry in this situation. Time was when women were underrepresented in universities and professions it was regarded as being men's fault, which was true enough. Now that women control much of the educational process when men have become increasingly underrepresented in colleges and the professions it's still men's fault for being childish, unambitious or whatnot. But talk to young men and you find out that they regard academe as hostile to them in various ways. I can tell by what you say that you are blaming men, and that's not going to change on your part. Think of all the ways in which men are disrespected and hated in the universities and it will come as no surprise how many young men feel. By the same token men who enter marriage are at an extreme disadvantage. Any effort to change that is met by howls of rage from women. Any criticism of the institution of marriage is met by defensiveness on the part of women. They like the advantages they have, worthless false rationalizations about the way things are notwitstanding.

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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    I think what the OP is trying to say - in essence - is that American women are pickier and will put up with a lot less crap then many other women in the world.
    And though the OP author seems to definitely think this is a bad thing, I think that is ridiculous...it's a wonderful thing.

    There are FAR too many women in the world who are forced to 'put up with crap' through no fault of their own. And there are FAR too many men like like their women like that...seen and not heard; subservient.
    Fortunately, the numbers of these women are slowly diminishing as women's tights continue to grow...unfortunately, the chauvinist's of the world don't like this one little bit.
    And this thread is an example of how the latter are whining about it.

    Sad, pathetic, chauvinistic dinosaurs.
    Really? Because domestic abuse is still very high in the U.S. I think you are trying to sell yourself on a pipe dream a little bit there.

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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Light View Post
    Really? Because domestic abuse is still very high in the U.S. I think you are trying to sell yourself on a pipe dream a little bit there.
    And what 'pipe dream' is that?

    I did not say American women have equality yet (unfortunately).

    I was referring to the OP.
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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sykes View Post
    Sure, why not.

    On another personal note, my family tree is full of strong liberal women, and the men who love them. They are equal partners in their marriage. Most work outside the home, and a few do not. This has more to do with being wage earners and helping provide for their retirement years than it does all the idiocy being slung about in this thread.
    What frustrates the hell out of me is the hypocrisy of this perspective. I'm an insecure man and need to make certain all females maintain their submissive status so I can feel manly. Hugh? It takes a much more confident and manly (by my definition) man to work with women as equals and recognize that who they control has nothing to do with their manliness and that in-fact the need to oppress and control others is an expression of weakness, frailty and a very unbecoming neediness not to mention it is all done at the expense of others happiness and freedom.
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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    It takes a much more confident and manly (by my definition) man to work with women as equals and recognize that who they control has nothing to do with their manliness and that in-fact the need to oppress and control others is an expression of weakness, frailty and a very unbecoming neediness not to mention it is all done at the expense of others happiness and freedom.
    Oh brother. Do some science. I mean, do some very basic impartial observation of how men and women act. Look at the men who women find attractive and observe their behavior. The men generally are highly respected, command authority, exude strength of character and of body. Feminist theory would have us believe that PajamaBoy is the pinnacle of manhood



    Rather than this man:



    Women are notorious for the huge chasm between their Expressed Preferences and their Revealed Preferences when it comes to describing what they find attractive in a man.

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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    Considering the fact that the chart covers men between the ages of 20 and 39, it would appear that many are going unmarried either way regardless. Wages alone do not explain the discrepancy that can be presently observed in Japanese culture.

    At current estimates, more than 60% of Japanese women are not even married by age 30, and the statistic for men stands at more than 70%.
    Again, the #'s are so high because of the huge # of men who make less than 4 million yen. This was addressed in the video I posted, which I suspect you did not watch


    There is also the following to consider.

    Wikipedia - Career Woman



    The vast majority of young Japanese couples fully expect to live under a dual wage earner model. Very nearly half of them do so already, and this number is growing larger every year.
    I have already shown why the two income family is not a realistic option for many Japanese.

    This trend has existed for quite some time, as a matter of fact.
    Your chart is broken down by nation, not year so I don't know why you think it shows any change over time.
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