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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    No one said that they weren't around.

    These days, however; they simply tend to be the exception, rather than the rule in demographics under thirty.
    Most women get married, so they can only be the exception if we redefine "exception" to mean "most"
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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    Are infertile & childless women who yearn to have a baby also delicate flowers who sound shallow and childish when they express their frustration with the hand that they've been dealt and engage in coping mechanisms to deal with their situation in life?
    Last time I looked, making a baby required both a male and a female. Having a job does not.
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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    The US population is growing and is projected to continue to keep on growing.
    I read some fantastic history books. Can you believe that back in the 60s and 70s liberals were actually worried about population limits and wanted to limit population growth. Those hippies were sure weird back then.

    Here's where you change your tune from whining about birth rates to whining about the racial composition of the population
    He better not be stealing my schtick.

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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    The US population is growing and is projected to continue to keep on growing.

    Here's where you change your tune from whining about birth rates to whining about the racial composition of the population
    I never said that it was declining.

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    There is absolutely no scenario in which shrinking and / or aging populations will be a benefit to the industrialized world except but on the most extended and esoteric of long term scales. Frankly, even then, we'd almost certainly be better off if they simply kept right on growing.
    Do try to keep up, Sangha.

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Some people just don't have a clue about how to live their life. They believe in traditional values like how the male is the provider (while remaining incapable of supporting a family), women being the submissive homemaker (and look for such women in clubs), and personal responsibility (while complaining that societal change is the reason for all their problems)

    And then they wonder why things aren't working out for them
    Nice ad hominem.

    All of what you laid out is precisely why I am not dating right now.

    I am unsuited to be a provider at the present moment, and women know this. This renders the prospect of serious dating a non-starter.

    I know damn well that I'm going to meet the women I desire in clubs, which is why I do not bother to look there.

    Lastly, I am practicing "personal responsibility" by maintaining awareness of both of these facts and modifying my behavior accordingly.

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Most women get married, so they can only be the exception if we redefine "exception" to mean "most"
    By and large, in the tail end of their twenties or their thirties, exactly as I claimed.

    What's your point?
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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    I never said that it was declining.
    You whined about how our population might be headed for a decline. It's not

    Do try to keep up, Sangha.
    Umm, you just quoted your own words as something I said. I'm sure it was a goof-up so I won't report it

    All of what you laid out is precisely why I am not dating right now.

    I am unsuited to be a provider at the present moment, and women know this. This renders the prospect of serious dating a non-starter.
    IOW, you are failing to live your life according to the traditional values (specifically that males should be providers) that you claim to believe in

    Lastly, I am practicing "personal responsibility" by maintaining awareness of both of these facts and modifying my behavior accordingly.
    Here's where you blame the economy for your failure to be a provider instead of taking responsibility for the choices you have made
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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    You whined about how our population might be headed for a decline. It's not
    Nope. Prove that I said any such thing.

    Again, my words were...

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    There is absolutely no scenario in which shrinking and / or aging populations will be a benefit to the industrialized world except but on the most extended and esoteric of long term scales. Frankly, even then, we'd almost certainly be better off if they simply kept right on growing.
    Qualifiers sind gut, ja?

    Umm, you just quoted your own words as something I said. I'm sure it was a goof-up so I won't report it
    My mistake. It has been corrected.

    IOW, you are failing to live your life according to the traditional values (specifically that males should be providers) that you claim to believe in
    I fail to see how. I will gladly fill that role just as soon as it becomes available to me.

    Here's where you blame the economy for your failure to be a provider instead of taking responsibility for the choices you have made
    And? There are millions of people in my financial situation.

    It's a bad economy, where youth employment is in many regards reminiscent of the circumstances you were just bemoaning in Japan. Deal with it.

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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    Let's anchor this conversation to the theme of the thread. Look at this chart again, when society functioned to constrain choices in the mating market, you know like Socialism does in the realm of economics, then there was more equality. Don't liberals have a soft-spot in their hearts for socialism and equality?

    It's actually kind of funny how precisely spot on this has been in my experience.

    A friend of mine unilaterally took it upon himself to create an account for me on Plenty of Fish a while back. He filled in my profile with all the usual blatant lies (muscular build, makes 70,000 dollars a year, looking to 'fool around,' ecta, ecta). Out of curiosity, and knowing that I didn't have any actual intention of responding to anyone anyway, I went in and filled out a more honest profile afterwards just to see what kind of responses I would get (regular build, makes under 20,000 dollars a year, looking for a relationship, etca).

    Due to being a decent enough looking guy and having a couple of things going for me (veteran, college degree, etca), I certainly got responses. It simply happened to be the case that they came pretty much exclusively from women in the 3-5 range.

    Roughly half of them were single mothers, 90% of them did not have college degrees, and most were either overweight or unattractive.

    I did get one response from a woman in her thirties who looked kind of appealing, so I chatted with her a bit. However, nothing really came of it.
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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    Nope. Prove that I said any such thing.
    SO you believe that our population will continue to grow!!
    Again, my words were...



    Qualifiers sind gut, ja?
    The population is projected to grow younger


    I fail to see how. I will gladly fill that role just as soon as it becomes available to me.
    It is available to you. You just have to put in the work (which is another traditional value)

    And? There are millions of people in my financial situation.

    It's a bad economy, where youth employment is in many regards reminiscent of the circumstances you were just bemoaning in Japan. Deal with it.
    Ahh yes! There's the personal responsibility I expected
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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    The population is projected to grow younger
    When exactly, after 2100?

    Prove it.

    It is available to you. You just have to put in the work (which is another traditional value)
    And? Is that not what I am doing?

    Ahh yes! There's the personal responsibility I expected
    Point to a single aspect of my statement which is factually untrue.

    Were you not just arguing that Japanese men could be excused due to their financial circumstances?

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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    The reasons behind the decline in Japan's birth rate, why women there are opting out of motherhood and how those reasons do not largely translate to the U.S., have been explained to you. By me and by Sangha.
    And as I have been trying to explain to the both of you, you are incorrect in that assumption.

    Japan's circumstances share far more similarities with our own than they do differences.

    Those differences which can be observed are largely superficial, and usually exist only as a matter of degree, rather than fundamental structure.

    Further, as I have said numerous times, it is the responsibility of men to find their role in society, just as women have. No society is caste in stone, nor should it be. Societies are always evolving.
    And this new role they have found for themselves exists, by and large, as professional and social slackers, who eschew traditional notions of masculinity which many women find desirable in favor of more modest pursuits.

    I told you I was done reading long articles. Please do me the courtesy of pasting in excerpts that support your point, as I have done for you.
    That would basically be the entire article.

    Needless to say, my own post was basically paraphrasing everything my sources claimed.

    I provided a chart and and a excerpt on why that is not true.
    How is it not true? Immigrants and lower income demographics tend to be significantly more likely to end up on welfare than the middle classes, do they not?

    They are dropping at a lower rate and that is good since it the most recent drop was attributed to families holding off on having children while the economy was unstable.
    They're still in the toilet and unsustainably low. Until the rates start rebounding again, and rebound to the rate where they are above replacement levels (which might very well never happen), there will be nothing to celebrate in this regard.


    See my first comment in this reply.

    And? The whole point of the article in question (actually written by a 'high powered' woman who adopted that very approach and found it to be too much for her) was how this strategy tended to fail for most women. It's simply too much pressure most of the time; basically requiring that a woman either all but abandon her children, or completely swap gender roles with her husband.

    This is precisely why so many career oriented women often choose to do without.

    Again, a great many of our society's women have succeeded admirably by opting for children earlier in life, and pursuing more professional goals later on.

    That is a choice for a woman to make with her partner/spouse/.
    You dodged my question. Is it fair to one's offspring to possibly doom them to a life of poor health simply because a mother would rather focus on her own career first?

    This is all so meandering so I condensed it. Yes, others will come along to replace those who haven't replaced themselves and so on, but the country will go on, adapting as it ever has.
    So you view what basically amounts to cultural and ethnic suicide as being acceptable in the pursuit of purely self-centered material advancement so long as someone from a different culture can be found to clean up our mess afterwards?

    This strikes me as being rather short sighted. What happens when there is no one left to replace the latest crop of sacrificees?

    The simple fact of the matter is that our current system is unsustainable, and will have to be changed sooner or later if our civilization wants to continue to thrive.

    The rest I can make no sense of, so I'll just say, society benefits from the contributions of both genders. Each brings something complimentary to the table.
    Indeed it does. This is exactly why it so troubling that women, and, more recently, men, alike seem to have decided to stop contributing in the ways we need them most.

    Women have not replaced men by going it alone. It's laughable that wanting to be treated as equals results in, in your estimation, men not giving a damn. If we can't keep to our "place", we are not worthy of having being in a relationship.
    As I said in my earlier post, if women are going to decide that they have the right to no longer behave like women, why should men not have the right to decide that they are no longer going to behave like men?

    Much of our incentive for doing so sprang from female companionship in the first place.
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