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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Yup, marriage is like a business partnership. It has it's ups, it has it's downs but you are committed to being together regardless. My wife and I have been married for 21 years so far and divorce isn't an option. We made a commitment "until death do we part" and we're going to keep that commitment no matter what. We were engaged for 4 years before we got married, we knew each other for close to 10 years before we got married, we weren't in any hurry, we knew each other extremely well and both of us are totally committed to making it work, no matter what.
    I remember when I was that naive.

    You can't guarantee that she will keep her vow, you can only guarantee that you will keep yours. She can change her mind any second and there's nothing you can do about it.

    Marriage is not a commitment. Marriage is an at-will arraignment, as the divorce rate will evidence. Americans have stopped acting 'in good faith' to each-other in all things. As such there's little point in marrying at all and gays will soon find this out.
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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I remember when I was that naive.
    Dude, you believe in an imaginary sky fairy.

    You can't guarantee that she will keep her vow, you can only guarantee that you will keep yours. She can change her mind any second and there's nothing you can do about it.
    Nope, there are no guarantees in life. Welcome to reality. However, if both people are committed to the same goal, that goal can be achieved. Just because you may have had a crappy history picking women doesn't mean everyone does.
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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Dude, you believe in an imaginary sky fairy.
    I once believed in my wife, too, guess which one tor our family apart? Employers brake their own rules and then wonder why I ignore their policies on things like no-guns or no-cellphones. Other drivers brake the rules on the road and then crumb when I'm just as if not more than aggressive as they. "Full faith and credit" among Americans is gon.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Nope, there are no guarantees in life. Welcome to reality. However, if both people are committed to the same goal, that goal can be achieved. Just because you may have had a crappy history picking women doesn't mean everyone does.
    The divorce rate shows that I am by no means a token minority.

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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I once believed in my wife, too, guess which one tor our family apart? Employers brake their own rules and then wonder why I ignore their policies on things like no-guns or no-cellphones. Other drivers brake the rules on the road and then crumb when I'm just as if not more than aggressive as they. "Full faith and credit" among Americans is gon.


    The divorce rate shows that I am by no means a token minority.
    Especially when over 70% of divorces are initiated by women.

    A modern American woman can literally cash in her marriage when she feels like it, at the detriment of the husband, who will be broke for the next 20 years. Or for the rest of his life.
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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    The divorce rate shows that I am by no means a token minority.
    The fact that lots of people are bad at it in no way disproves my point.
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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    The fact that lots of people are bad at it in no way disproves my point.
    Yeah it does because what you're stating is only good on paper, theoretically. It's not realistic at all.
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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    I'm going to remind you again, we have dispensed with Japan as an extreme example
    Just because it is an "extreme example" does not mean that the same principles do not still apply.

    Dispensed with
    Hardly. A growing minority of women are opting out of marriage and motherhood. This is true of the industrialized world in general.

    This has resulted in birth rates so low as to be unsustainable, and many men losing sight of their traditional role in society.

    I stand by my comment, attrition will take it's toll and those below a certain level will ascend as opportunities present themselves and you are pressing another unnecessary alarm button
    You can believe that if you wish, but there is no hard data to suggest it definitely will take place.

    Make no mistake here. There is absolutely no scenario in which shrinking and / or aging populations will be a benefit to the industrialized world except but on the most extended and esoteric of long term scales. Frankly, even then, we'd almost certainly be better off if they simply kept right on growing.

    All these kinds of changes will result in are shrinking workforces, stagnant GPD, sluggish economic growth, fewer opportunities, higher national overhead in the form of social security and other such "safety nets," and more social stress exacerbating existing societal problems.

    A great many experts are already warning of these things.

    Population Decline Is Bad For Us

    Shrinking Societies: The Other Population Crisis

    I take exception to the claim that ALL of the U.S. population growth is the segment you describe as welfare dependent
    I said it was coming almost exclusively from lower income demographics which had a strong tendency to be on welfare, not that they were necessarily on welfare.

    A) It has not "stabilized." It's rate of drop has simply slowed. It is still far too low to be sustainable.

    B) Numbers continued to drop in 2013.

    Birthrate continues to decline in the U.S.

    Again, Japan does not apply.

    Your source is a right wing blogger, with a Phd., yes, but a regular on Pajamas Television, where her blog is posted. Not exactly a clinically neutral venue.
    Japan is an example of exactly the same principles in action. As such, yes, it does apply.

    Beyond that, do you deny that the kinds of men being described in this thread exist, and that they are a recent development in our culture?

    I'm done reading long articles and blogs. Please cite the relevant passages you need to make your point
    Get pregnant at 25 if you want a high-powered career

    So look. Here’s my first post directed solely at Generation Z women: Spend the years from age 20-25 focused on getting married. There is no evidence that doing well in school during that period of your life will get you worthwhile benefits. There is no evidence that waiting longer than 25 makes a better marriage. And there is not evidence that women who do a great job early in their career can bank on that later in their career. There is evidence, though, that women who focus on marriage have better marriages. There is evidence that women who have kids earlier have healthier kids, and there is evidence, now, that women who have grown children by age 45 do better at getting to the top in the workforce than all other women with kids
    She made reference to the following in doing so.

    Why Women Still Can’t Have It All

    The most important sequencing issue is when to have children. Many of the top women leaders of the generation just ahead of me—Madeleine Albright, Hillary Clinton, Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Sandra Day O’Connor, Patricia Wald, Nannerl Keohane—had their children in their 20s and early 30s, as was the norm in the 1950s through the 1970s. A child born when his mother is 25 will finish high school when his mother is 43, an age at which, with full-time immersion in a career, she still has plenty of time and energy for advancement.
    There is a clear precedence for this.

    "Waiting" often leads women to simply never get married or have children at all.

    Frankly, beyond even that, there is the issue that pregnancies later in life tend to be far more dangerous than those in a woman's twenties, and result children which are far less healthy.

    Is that really fair?

    The number of CEO's of fortune 500 companies: 18. Highest ever.

    Why should women follow the same trajectory as men? Proven success.
    Many of the most successful women did not follow that trajectory at all.

    It is for each woman to decide when or if she becomes a parent. Not society. And their responsibility, if they are disappointed in that choice.

    Thank you. That's all we want, is the choice.
    Maybe so. Again, however; the simple fact of the matter is that the impacts of this have not been in any sense positive.

    Basically all that line of thinking seems to result in on a long term basis are the groups which indulge in it slowly dying off and be replaced by others, who simply happen to follow the more traditional model.

    It is essentially equivalent to cultural suicide via out of control materialism.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    All that says is women are responsible for the choices men make. If they want to eschew their own roles, that's on them.
    Again, it is what it is. Why would you imagine that society needs strong "masculine" men when women have chosen to go it alone instead?

    Women said that they wanted to be "equal." As such, more men have started treating them as such, basically by not giving a damn.

    You can't have your cake and eat it too in this regard.

    Not us and since ALL women, nor a significant portion, are not forgoing children altogether, there are plenty out there with whom to propagate. As the chart I provided earlier indicated, researchers believe the birth rate has stabilized.
    Too little, too late. Furthermore, the trend towards childlessness is only increasing over time, not decreasing.

    You get what you find when you look in those places. If you are looking to screw around, that's what you will find.
    Ummm... Are you seriously suggesting going to a bar or club for reasons other than "screwing around?"

    Good luck with that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    So because you have chosen to stop trying to date, you feel there is a groundswell of other guys like yourself. Now I see.
    No, I believe it is the case because that is what the statistics indicate. More men are dropping out of school, putting off marriage, and failing to achieve professionally than at any other point in the past.

    It is an objective fact.

    Now, in my case, and in the case of many others, this is purely economic. However, there are a great many men out there who are doing so as a matter of general principle.

    It really cannot be denied that this development is taking place in almost direct proportion to the propagation of feminist notions of "women's empowerment."

    Having sons in your demographic, my personal experience with them, indicates otherwise.
    Good for them. However, your "personal experiences" don't really count for much in this regard.
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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Johnson View Post
    Yeah it does because what you're stating is only good on paper, theoretically. It's not realistic at all.
    Not only is it good on paper, it works in the real world. I am living proof. So are the vast majority of couples I know, all of whom have gone more than 20 years being married to the same person. Don't fool yourself.
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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Not only is it good on paper, it works in the real world. I am living proof. So are the vast majority of couples I know, all of whom have gone more than 20 years being married to the same person. Don't fool yourself.
    Anyone can say they know a sh*tload of couples together for decades. That in no way still negates the facts about the risks involved with getting involved with modern American women. Now don't you fool yourself.
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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    I'm always amazed at people who seem to depend on bars or clubs to look for mates.

    Dont people *do* anything? Have any interests? Go anywhere? And church is still a very valid place to meet people, they have lots of functions and 'friends of friends.' Why dismiss that if it is meaningful to you?

    I'd rather meet someone playing frisbee in the park or walking my dog (and have) than sort thru drunk desperate guys in bars. Many women just assume that guys in bars are only looking to get laid, so dont take that very seriously. Or they're just looking for the same :-)
    Right on girl! Every word.

    For someone who values are traditional, why not church? Politically interested? Get involved with a candidate or party. There are loads of groups representing many varied interests listed in my paper every day. The internet makes it much easier to locate events as well.

    If one is truly interested, a marriageable person can be found.
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