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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    As far as the US having many of the same driving factors, I have identified several things about Japan that do not apply here. The only similarities are the declining birth rate and marriage rate. Otherwise, the nations are extremely different, both culturally and economically.
    I'm sorry, but I disagree. There are far more similarities than there are differences.

    The only differences are a matter of degree, not fundamental structure.

    No, #5 is not common in the US
    Are you really going to deny that persons living at home well into their twenties has become more common over the course of the last decade in the United States?

    A record 21.6 million millennials live with Mom and Dad

    Get real, Sangha.

    Again, the same issues exist here as exist in Japan. The only difference is the matter of degree.

    where living at home with one's parents is associated with being a loser, whereas in Japan there is absolutely no stigma attached to it.
    No, it is associated with being a loser in Japan after a certain age as well. These men would not have picked up the derogatory "grass eating" moniker they currently carry otherwise.

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    Saying that #2 is true completely contradicts claims you've made in other threads where you've said that young people are too promiscuous.
    Over 50% of unmarried men and women under the age of thirty report not having had sex within the last year.

    The Kinsey Institute

    The decline of dating also well documented.

    NY Times - The End of Courtship?

    #3 and #4 aren't even close to true. For the last twenty or so years, there have been plenty of married women in the workforce and they are not looked down upon and women are not fired for getting married. In fact, it is illegal to do so in the country.
    Who, according to many feminists in this country, are being discriminated against, make less money than their males peers, and are often passed over for promotions due to their children.

    They make it work.

    You mean people like you? Funny how when you reject marriage, it's solely because of economic reasons. When others do the same, it's because they prefer to pursue their career instead of marriage.
    Prove that their situation has anything whatsoever to do with mine.

    And again, if those men don't make enough to date, they certainly don't make enough to support a family
    Prove that this isn't just their perception.

    I see. You're special. Everyone in Japan is just selfish while you're a long-term planner.
    I'm 25. I have the luxury.

    Many of the people in Japan we are discussing are in their mid to late thirties.

    If they wanted to be married, they could be.

    Clearly your lifestyle is more important to you than the marriage you claim to desire.
    At the time being, absolutely.

    I have posted evidence that the women in Japan do not have careers. They have low-paying jobs, many of which are temp jobs.
    You have presented absolutely nothing of the kind.

    Frankly, even if that were the case, wouldn't that simply pressure them towards the marriages they claim to desire?

    It would appear that many women prefer their temp jobs to the prospect of marriage.

    And the % of women who work regularly has been going down, not up. You still have explained how that is evidence that the women today consider their careers to be more important than marriage.
    Incorrect.

    More Japanese women are workingóbut for the economy to thrive they need to be running things

    In Nov. 2013, female labor participation among women 15 to 64 hit a record-high of 66%, a big jump from the 63.9% a year earlier
    It has been trending no where but up for the last several years.

    No, the circumstances in Japan are found nowhere else in any modern society.
    Low birth rates, low marriage rates, sexual discrimination in the work force, and stagnant economies hampering youth economic opportunities are universal in the industrialized world today.

    The notion of female empowerment has gone nowhere in Japan.

    USATODAY.com - Female CEOs signal change at Japan firms
    You say this and then post a link talking about female Japanese CEOs?

    They can't afford to date, and you think they can afford to support a family. Even the link you posted said it's nearly impossible for most of these young men to support a family on their income.
    Again, that is their perception. It is not necessarily reality.

    Why don't you stop evading the question and post some sources detailing costs of living in Japan and what it costs to raise a family?

    Furthermore, more than half of marriage

    Yes, I know. No matter how much evidence has been posted, including from the link that *you* posted, you will not believe it.
    No such evidence has been presented.

    All that has been established so far is that Japanese men and women alike are whiners, who would rather not even try to raise a family than put in the effort to make the situation work.

    Maybe they can support themselves, but they can not support a family. Even your own link says it's impossible for most young men.
    Post up the data then.

    How does average income compare with the bare minimum (i.e. not the 'ideal') required to raise a family?

    An internet poll? Seriously dude?
    It's exactly as credible as anything you have provided so far.

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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Your own quote says "They did not aim for equality with men"

    You seem incapable of recognizing anything that contradicts your claims.


    Feminism in Japan

    They did not aim for equality with men, as they argued that men also should be liberated from the oppressive aspects of a patriarchal and capitalist system.
    So what? It was an ideologically motivated decision.

    Japan might be a bit less woman friendly than some other parts of the world, but that doesn't mean that feminism has not had an impact.

    No one said anything about abject poverty. You're making stuff up because you can't dispute the things that have actually been said.
    If I were to marry right now, I would be in abject poverty; able to afford neither food, shelter, nor clothing.

    If most Japanese persons are not in the same boat, they have no excuse not to marry, if is what they claim to truly desire.

    To the contrary, it seems like most of them simply don't want to deal with the hassle, or harbor unrealistically high expectations.

    Japanese women are increasingly passing up marriage

    Chikako Ogura, professor of gender studies at Waseda University in Tokyo, draws little comfort from government proposals to reverse the trend, such as adding child-care facilities and prodding employers to grant maternity leave.

    The critical problem is that people aren't getting married at all. Young women have jobs and reject a marriage that won't deliver a more comfortable life, she says. Studies show men spend on average less than 10 minutes a day on housework while working women put in two hours.

    "Women are looking for a marital partner who'll allow them to do whatever they want. They want a marriage that's perfect, economically and mentally. There aren't that many men who can offer that," Ogura said. "And they're all taken."[/
    Again, that is not a matter of necessity. It is a matter of personal preference.

    We're not talking about your choices. We're talking about the Japanese
    And they would appear to be making the choice to remain celibate and single in spite of other options being available.

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    No matter how many times we point out that different cultures are different (which should be obvious to everyone), Gath will continue to insist that we have the same problems, not different ones.
    You do realize that the only thing that excerpt pointed to was a greater abundance of MMOs and Smart Phone apps, right?

    I'd hardly consider that to be a world altering difference.

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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    For those who posted to pour scorn on men as "whining" about the way men are being treated in American society, you're just proving my point, are you not?

    To be clear, the OP was not a call to order a bride from Russia or turn to other foreign women. The main point was the way men are being treated and regarded in American society. If you claim not to know what I'm referring to then you are being willfully blind and disenginious. The discussion started with marriage because marriage is the locus of many of the legal and societal sanctions against men, and American women are particularly inclined to take full advantage of the lack of fairness, even regarding it as their birthright. Which is why so many men are voting with their feet and avoiding the roles of husband, father, and provider.

    It goes far, far beyond male dissatisfaction over the loss of traditional male roles and into the realm of unreasonable hatred and bigotry being directed toward men for no more than being men. Legal sanctions against men and disrespect of men are also strong on college campuses, and so we have seen a drop in male enrollment.

    But it starts even earlier than that, with boys being shunted to alternative schools and drugged for acting like boys instead of like girls, which is what teachers, which are almost all women, prefer. It isn't any wonder that by they time they leave high school many young men have had their fill of academe.
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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    For those who posted to pour scorn on men as "whining" about the way men are being treated in American society, you're just proving my point, are you not?

    To be clear, the OP was not a call to order a bride from Russia or turn to other foreign women. The main point was the way men are being treated and regarded in American society. If you claim not to know what I'm referring to then you are being willfully blind and disenginious. The discussion started with marriage because marriage is the locus of many of the legal and societal sanctions against men, and American women are particularly inclined to take full advantage of the lack of fairness, even regarding it as their birthright. Which is why so many men are voting with their feet and avoiding the roles of husband, father, and provider.

    It goes far, far beyond male dissatisfaction over the loss of traditional male roles and into the realm of unreasonable hatred and bigotry being directed toward men for no more than being men. Legal sanctions against men and disrespect of men are also strong on college campuses, and so we have seen a drop in male enrollment.

    But it starts even earlier than that, with boys being shunted to alternative schools and drugged for acting like boys instead of like girls, which is what teachers, which are almost all women, prefer. It isn't any wonder that by they time they leave high school many young men have had their fill of academe.
    Your "point" is that you think men deserve respect instead of needing to earn it. Your entitlement **** ain't playing well.
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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by tecoyah View Post

    "Fifty years after the Equal Pay Act became law, American women working full-time are paid just 77 cents to the dollar compared to their male counterparts. A significant wage gap also persists throughout New York.  In New York City, a female full-time worker in the for-profit sector earns only 71.5 cents for every dollar her male counterpart earns. Although the statewide wage gap of 82.5% is smaller than the national average, workers in non-metropolitan areas still earn 23% less than their counterparts in the city.  Due to the wage gap, full-time working women in New York collectively lose more than $22,340,000,000 each year. If the wage gap is closed, working women in New York and their families would have enough money for more than a year’s worth of food; 4.4 months of mortgage and utility payments; 9 additional months of rent; 3 extra years of family health insurance premiums; or more than 2,000 gallons of gas. "

    EQUAL PAY NEW YORK

    You're welcome.
    That post is just plain left wing extremist nonsense from another strange left wing "We're all victims!" source.

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    Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    This farce of a thread is what happens when someone stops looking at females as a collection of individuals, each with their own desires and outlook on life and look at women as a group which is lacking desired traits from nearly 60 years ago in terms of what is mainstream America.

    Like men, women are people and like men, they have no responsibility in enforcing or upholding a certain society based on other people's morality. If they want to sleep with everyone they see, save themselves for their future spouse and never remarry or do something completely different. More power to them as they aren't hurting anyone directly with those choices.

    Second of all, there is no right or wrong way to be male or female. Too many people who are making themselves look like foolish asses have that ideal stuck in their brain.

    I was raised by a feminist and a strong one at that. Most of the women I have had relationships have been feminists. He'll, I considered myself a feminist. Yet somehow I comfortable in my own skin. I raise children well, I hold a good job, I am generally responsible. I tend to have a dominant personality despite being around other strong individuals. Strong people come in both genders and always have. One ninety year old I know is a southern bell who is as healthy as an ox and takes no prisoners yet she would never be caught without her hair fixed and make up on. There literally is no conflict between being feminine and emotional strength.
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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ray410 View Post
    That post is just plain left wing extremist nonsense from another strange left wing "We're all victims!" source.
    In other words....there is no reason to reply to you unless in agreement......thanks for the heads up.

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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by 24107 View Post
    Why don't you be the man and take the initiative to heal your womans soul, you can do it if you try. Doing the little things will go a long way, take her out to dinner or a movie once in a while, tell her you love her with a gentle smile, rub her feet sometimes, and cuddle with her and bet you would uplift her spirits along with yours.
    *sigh* I am not one to defend Tigger and he certainly doesnt need it but he is who he is and at least is honest about it.

    If you read his thread about women and time you'd understand their relationship better....not that you care that much.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Johnson View Post
    It's a valid point. I have yet to hear about a woman risking her life and going above and beyond to save the life of another male, or children.

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    Guess you missed all the female teachers & administrators that died (and occasionally lived) in school shootings protecting their children?
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    You make men sound like such delicate flowers who can't achieve without the help of a woman. You also make them sound shallow and childish.
    It's also a ridiculous quote, for a million reasons.

    Seattle...urban and rural....super active, women's groups doing outdoor activities, athletes, and also involved doing with men. And it's not just the Seattle area....women all over are in the gyms, out running, hiking, gardening, doing all sorts of activities.

    Myself and my friends...we run our own farms for God's sake...who is doing that work? We are. We fish, shoot, ride, camp, hike, ride quads...we do it together and we do it with our men who love it.

    For any woman who just stays home and shops or does her nails there are just as many men sitting there playing video games or *watching* sports.

    Women are very active and physical. RiverDad's overgeneralization is ridiculous...it doesnt even fit the 50s.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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