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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    It was one of them:
    My point was that Japan is an example of just how destructive these kind of trends can become.

    The idea that any society's culture would become so inherently self-centered and dysfunctional that it would run the risk of extinction not just because its members had lost interest in family, but human intimacy in general, is absolutely outlandish. Nevertheless, it has happened all the same.

    There is really nothing to say that it could not happen somewhere else.

    As I've pointed out, most of the same elements which lead Japan to its current state of affairs are present here as well. It's really anyone's guess where we might ultimately end up; especially as our culture continues to trend away from committed relationships and towards technology which renders human contact in many cases unnecessary in the first place.

    You didn't catch the sarcasm in my comment, so you obviously believe women pursuing the same career track at men, are selfish, but men are not.
    Not necessarily. Modern men can be guilty of the same sort of short-sighted and selfish thinking being described in this thread as well as women. As a matter of fact, they are often worse.

    However, it cannot be denied that women are ultimately the "gate keepers" of sex and reproduction. Having them "go on strike," so to speak, ultimately causes far more harm for society in general than men doing the same.

    Sadly enough, "going on strike" is pretty much exactly what many women in Japan, and the rest of the "post-feminist" world have done. Japan is currently in the process of falling apart because of this, and, arguably, we're not faring much better.

    That portion of the population will be reduced by attrition and the wheel will turn and the population from the lower economic rungs will climb up. Such is life. It's not a national emergency.
    That remains to be seen. Given what can be observed taking place in Japan and many parts of Europe even as we speak, I sincerely doubt that the transition will be so rosy as you might like to believe.

    Basically all of our population growth at the present moment is being fueled by "low income" demographics, who tend to lack much in the way of social mobility and overwhelmingly rely upon government assistance to get by. They also tend to pass on poverty and dependency from generation to generation like an inheritable disease.

    If they come to outnumber the people in this country who actually produce the revenue used to support them, the system might very well collapse in on itself.

    We've dispensed with Japan, so what kind of men in the OP?
    The kind of men mentioned in the OP.

    Men on Strike: Why Men Are Boycotting Marriage, Fatherhood, and the American Dream - and Why It Matters

    An entirely new breed of "slacker" men have developed out of the post-sexual revolution and post-feminist world for which there is no historical precedent.

    Again, with Japan serving as the prime example here, they have done so largely in reaction to the changes which have taken place in women's behavior.

    Many men feel less pressure to fill a given "masculine" role, so they are choosing not to do so.

    That's terrific that your mom has a career now.
    Why do I sense an implied put down of her life choices before the career in question here?

    Is a career really necessary for a woman, or anyone, really, to define their role in the world? Is motherhood not capable of being considered a "career?"

    But she and they, put their careers second. Men do not have to ever consider that. In many professional fields, time off to have children negatively effects a woman's earning power and trajectory.
    To the contrary, many female CEOs actually follow this same trajectory; not really hitting the "big time" until their children are basically grown.

    Get pregnant at 25 if you want a high-powered career

    Why should women necessarily have to follow the same trajectory as men?

    They're really not built for the same role. Trying to force them into it often does more harm than good.

    My mother actually went so far as to tell me that her view on the matter was essentially, "You can go to work any time, but you only have so many years to have children."

    Frankly, I think this is a good way to look at it. Far too many women put marriage and childrearing off thinking that they'll "get around to it eventually," and never actually do.

    Many of these women wind up being rather unhappy in the long run.

    The Grief of Childlessness

    It might even play a role in the steady increase in suicide rates that has been observed among middle aged women (white women in particular) in recent decades as well.

    These are the women we are discussing. Something men never have to be concerned with. So, here we are again, women have to sacrifice and be scorned as not holding up their end of society.
    I'm sorry, but as long as women are the only members of the human species capable of producing children, our society is going to need them to do so. Quite frankly, we probably need them to fill that role a lot more than we need them to work.

    Thankfully, the decision doesn't have to be binary. Women are fully capable of doing both or neither if they should so choose.

    However, the fact of the matter still stands. Without women filling their biological role, the whole system is basically doomed to implode in on itself.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    Why do you lay this at the feet of women? Why are we responsible to make men productive? What happened to personal responsibility? How about pulling themselves up by the bootstraps if they want to compete.
    Does it change anything?

    Things are what they are. For every reaction, there is an equal and opposite reaction.

    Modern notions of female "empowerment" (when pursued within a Western style feminist framework, at least) can be observed to have played a direct role in leading men to eschew their own traditional roles. Many men simply don't feel that traditionally "masculine" virtues are necessary anymore, so they have opted for self-indulgent extended adolescence instead.

    Again, we can already see how destructive this sort of trend can ultimately be by looking at what has already taken place in many other parts of the world.

    Though I'm skeptical this sexual marketplace exists when men are looking outside of bars and clubs for a marriageable woman.
    Bars and clubs are, for all intents and purposes, the "default" mode of inter-gender interaction for the current generation. The online dating scene is a popular alternative, but even it tends to be far more focused on "screwing around" than serious relationship building when it comes to youth demographics.

    The days of meeting women "at church" or some other such venue are by and large over for most of our society. Such things have become the exception, not the rule.
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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Probably not...I don't think I could marry the stereotypical "American Woman"...the independent, educated, women power type etc Nothing wrong with that, if that is what she is all about, but we would probably have issues.
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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Women wanted change without realizing that when they changed men would also. That was not given much thought when this sexual revolution was going on.
    Well the feminist movement / sexual revolution were led by lesbians, so I doubt they really concerned themselves with how men would change.

    I don't blame American women, I blame American men for being doormats who let women walk all over them. I blame American fathers for not instilling family values in their daughters.

    Women will obey a strong man. They'll walk all over a weak one.

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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Johnson View Post
    Most men did have good paying jobs, if they had enough to put food on the table for their families. You're equating being able to buy excessive "wants" to a decent wage.

    Based on what criteria? If you're going to make a bogus claim, back it up. This is nothing more than standard feminist rhetoric. Under strong patriarchies most people were not poor in the U.S. The common man had a living wage where he could support his family, and pay his bills. And all third world countries are not under patriarchies. Many places such as Mexico and Argentina live under socialist/progressive ideals that are not based on patriarchy at all.

    Making more money than men? Sure in some industries such as the paper pushing one. But there are still millions of SHAMS and those who do work, still want to quit their jobs and rely on a man.
    Uh... what makes you think they often did/do have enough to get sufficient amounts of food? You're wrong. But glad to know what your standard is. If they don't die of starvation, that's cool then. Gee, what stops you from moving to one of these lovely third world countries where men have great jobs working for a penny an hour?

    The US came into existence during the tail end of true patriarchy in the West. I hate this stuff -- like when I was living in NZ and idiot Kiwi yokels would tell me "At least we didn't have slavery!" Uh, yeah, because the country didn't exist during the slave trade. Anyway, still not completely true. In the early days, we had quite a bit of indentured servitude and other sorry states of supposedly free peoples. This is stuff everyone learned in 4th grade.

    Nope, just as a general rule. Young women as a whole are simply better qualified (school and internships at higher levels and in greater numbers, starting careers sooner...), and thus they are making more money as young professionals. However, older women, or women in the country, are still often less so, and even when not, they are still being paid less even for the same work.

    You really hang your hat on this whole idea of men being superior at most work, don't you. Sorry, dude...

    I love you guys, seriously. "Women are only good at jobs that are stoopid! Only men are smart enough to do REAL jobs! Gee, why can't I get a date?"

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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    Nope, just as a general rule. Young women as a whole are simply better qualified (school and internships at higher levels and in greater numbers, starting careers sooner...), and thus they are making more money as young professionals. However, older women, or women in the country, are still often less so, and even when not, they are still being paid less even for the same work.
    I was impressed that you knew about the income gains of young single women and then you scuttled my admiration by dredging up the canard about lower pay for identical jobs, you know, the practice which is illegal for businesses to implement.

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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Every man in America should read Shakespeare's "Taming of the Shrew."

    I read it at a young age and it shaped the way I treat women forever.

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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    Uh... what makes you think they often did/do have enough to get sufficient amounts of food? You're wrong. But glad to know what your standard is. If they don't die of starvation, that's cool then. Gee, what stops you from moving to one of these lovely third world countries where men have great jobs working for a penny an hour?

    The US came into existence during the tail end of true patriarchy in the West. I hate this stuff -- like when I was living in NZ and idiot Kiwi yokels would tell me "At least we didn't have slavery!" Uh, yeah, because the country didn't exist during the slave trade. Anyway, still not completely true. In the early days, we had quite a bit of indentured servitude and other sorry states of supposedly free peoples. This is stuff everyone learned in 4th grade.

    Nope, just as a general rule. Young women as a whole are simply better qualified (school and internships at higher levels and in greater numbers, starting careers sooner...), and thus they are making more money as young professionals. However, older women, or women in the country, are still often less so, and even when not, they are still being paid less even for the same work.

    You really hang your hat on this whole idea of men being superior at most work, don't you. Sorry, dude...

    I love you guys, seriously. "Women are only good at jobs that are stoopid! Only men are smart enough to do REAL jobs! Gee, why can't I get a date?"
    Name one single specific place in the United States where women of equal qualifications do the same work as men and are paid less money simply because they are women.

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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Sounds like there are a lot of men here who are still stuck in the Neanderthal stage, who can't handle not being able to intimidate women to get their way.

    Here's another thing that will tick off the "real he-men" here - women are generally somewhat more intelligent than men.
    We already went over that. Read the book and come back to the thread, or just do what everyone else is doing and post about Japan for some stupid reason.

    Really people, the problems in japan are not related to ours.

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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    If given the chance to re-marry would you marry (another) American woman?

    Increasingly the answer is "no".

    Men are increasingly disrespected by American women. They face extreme economic and social disadvantages in family law that makes it possible for a wife to divorce them and take most of what they have including their children for any reason or no reason. They are constantly told that they are worthless and stupid. Disrespect for men has become standard practice. Men are disrespected by their wives – they’re disrespected publicly, they’re disrespected privately, they’re disrespected and then told that they have no right to be upset about it because they aren’t worthy of respect in the first place.

    Disrespect of men is a joke to Americans now.

    The result has been that men are increasingly dropping out of society. They don't marry, they don't go to college because they see no reason to break their humps to get ready to provide for a family -- they aren't going to be having a family.

    Lots has been written about this phenomena, most of it in the strain of "why is it that men are so childish now." But men are not dropping out because of arrested development. They are acting rationally in response to myriad laws, attitudes and hostility against them for the crime of happening to be male in the twenty-first century.
    I would but A.) she has to be a conservative, and B.) her "number" can't be too high. You see, a very large amount of American women are sluts. Not all, but a whole lot of them are.

    I would love to meet a beautiful young woman from eastern europe somewhere, but there aren't many of those in Texas.

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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Every man in America should read Shakespeare's "Taming of the Shrew."

    I read it at a young age and it shaped the way I treat women forever.

    You missed the point and turned your life into a comedy?

    That's funny.

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