View Poll Results: Men: Would you marry an American Woman?

Voters
102. You may not vote on this poll
  • Yes

    72 70.59%
  • No

    23 22.55%
  • Does not apply to me.

    7 6.86%
Page 50 of 164 FirstFirst ... 40484950515260100150 ... LastLast
Results 491 to 500 of 1640

Thread: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?[W:771]

  1. #491
    Banned
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Last Seen
    07-19-17 @ 03:51 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    60,458

    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Can't there be a simple conversation giving different points of view as judged by our life experiences without using tired terms like 'sexist'? It stunts conversation.I can see you graduated cum laude from your sensitivity training course but you needn't flaunt your credentials here.
    There was no conversation going on between me and Lursa, nor is there any conversation going on now. In fact, there is no conversation possible since she is not qualified to be involved in one on this issue. There was nothing to stunt by calling Lursa a sexist.

    I'm sorry I bothered you by calling a woman a sexist, but get over it.

  2. #492
    Educator
    Michael Johnson's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2012
    Location
    Unknown
    Last Seen
    04-29-15 @ 08:57 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian - Right
    Posts
    1,042

    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    My what agenda? And are you serious? Most men did NOT have good paying jobs under the strong patriarchy.
    Most men did have good paying jobs, if they had enough to put food on the table for their families. You're equating being able to buy excessive "wants" to a decent wage.

    They were hardly more than slaves, and that's still true in strongly patriarchal countries (all of which are in the third world, by the way). Under strong patriarchies, most people are extremely poor.
    Based on what criteria? If you're going to make a bogus claim, back it up. This is nothing more than standard feminist rhetoric. Under strong patriarchies most people were not poor in the U.S. The common man had a living wage where he could support his family, and pay his bills. And all third world countries are not under patriarchies. Many places such as Mexico and Argentina live under socialist/progressive ideals that are not based on patriarchy at all.

    Uh, you are aware most women now work, right? In fact, younger women tend to make more money than younger men. They worked plenty for what they have.
    Making more money than men? Sure in some industries such as the paper pushing one. But there are still millions of SHAMS and those who do work, still want to quit their jobs and rely on a man.
    If you're not ready to die for it, put the word 'freedom' out of your vocabulary. - El-Hajj Malik El-Shabazz

  3. #493
    Global Moderator
    Moderator

    Gina's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2010
    Last Seen
    Today @ 12:54 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Liberal
    Posts
    31,918

    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    It really was not, but I suppose we can dispense with it all the same.
    It was one of them:

    Quote Originally Posted by me
    And then, really? Human beings are going to give up sex for materialistic pursuits?
    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    It's already happened.

    Study Says Japanese Men And Women ďDespise Sexual ContactĒ: Birth Rates At All-Time Low
    They're not reproducing, and they're not marrying; favoring their own careers instead.

    I fail to see how you could assume that it is not the case.

    Again, how do you figure? The portion of the population we are discussing here is "dying out" specifically because of its rejection of more traditional gender roles.
    You didn't catch the sarcasm in my comment, so you obviously believe women pursuing the same career track at men, are selfish, but men are not. Instead of brood maring for the sake of the country, having a life men are entitled to without question is an national emergency. That portion of the population will be reduced by attrition and the wheel will turn and the population from the lower economic rungs will climb up. Such is life. It's not a national emergency.

    It's observable in both Japan and in the OP. It is an undeniable fact.

    More women "going it alone" leads more men to stop trying to pursue them.

    Those kinds of men often seem to lose the motivation to do much else when this occurs.
    We've dispensed with Japan, so what kind of men in the OP?
    [QUOTE][QUOTE][QUOTE]
    My mother would be a fairly good example, IMO. She's college educated, and she had five children.

    She stayed at home while we were young, but went back to school five years ago to become a nurse. She succeeded, and is now working in this new career, while taking classes on the side to attain a second bachelor's degree.

    While I'm certainly not suggesting that all women should have to take this route if they do not wish to, she does demonstrate that it is not necessary for notions of traditional family and career to be mutually exclusive. It is entirely possible to pursue both.
    That's terrific that your mom has a career now. I know lots of women like her, who went into nursing after having children.

    But she and they, put their careers second. Men do not have to ever consider that. In many professional fields, time off to have children negatively effects a woman's earning power and trajectory. These are the women we are discussing. Something men never have to be concerned with. So, here we are again, women have to sacrifice and be scorned as not holding up their end of society.
    I don't attack my constituents. Bob is my constituent now.
    This is the important stuff. We canít get lost in discrimination. We canít get lost in B.S. We canít get lost tearing each other down. I want to make a point here that no matter what you look like, where you come from, how you worship, who you love, how you identify, and yeah, how you run, that if you have good public policy ideas, if you are well qualified for office, bring those ideas to the table, because this is your America, too. This is our commonwealth of Virginia, too.
    Danica Roem - The nation's first openly transgender person elected to serve in a U.S. state legislature.

  4. #494
    Global Moderator
    Moderator

    Gina's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2010
    Last Seen
    Today @ 12:54 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Liberal
    Posts
    31,918

    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    I don't think that this is the proper formulation. What we see is that men without women in their lives are, generally, more content to live in a cardboard box and eat cheerios and play video games. They'll, again speaking generally, work less and only to the point that is sufficient to cover their needs. The labor economics literature shows a very real "marriage effect" for men - increased wages and increased rates of wage raises being sustained for long periods of time in their careers compared to single men. There has to be a reason that men continue to engage in soul-crushing jobs, endure the mindless droning of the workplace, etc. If it's just a matter of meeting survival needs, the work required to earn the pay is far less and that's exactly what we see from men who've been kicked in the nads in the sexual market place. Single guys who are competing for women put in a lot more work effort in order to marshall more resources. Married men out-earn them.

    Remove the prospect of women from a man's live and then you pretty much sap ambition too.

    Those slackers we see growing in number in society didn't really have a counterpart in 1940. There was an expectation of marriage, people got married young, there was no need to self-actualize during your 20s and 30s and then seek to get married. The rate of singlehood was lower, meaning that even the loser guys could match up with their loser girl counterparts. Now you have guys who have "something" by being married.

    Sure, it's not always a bed of roses - being poor and married isn't a Garden of Eden, but it's a sight better than being single, poor and crushed from being a loser in a more fiercely competitive sexual marketplace.
    Why do you lay this at the feet of women? Why are we responsible to make men productive? What happened to personal responsibility? How about pulling themselves up by the bootstraps if they want to compete. Though I'm skeptical this sexual marketplace exists when men are looking outside of bars and clubs for a marriageable woman.
    I don't attack my constituents. Bob is my constituent now.
    This is the important stuff. We canít get lost in discrimination. We canít get lost in B.S. We canít get lost tearing each other down. I want to make a point here that no matter what you look like, where you come from, how you worship, who you love, how you identify, and yeah, how you run, that if you have good public policy ideas, if you are well qualified for office, bring those ideas to the table, because this is your America, too. This is our commonwealth of Virginia, too.
    Danica Roem - The nation's first openly transgender person elected to serve in a U.S. state legislature.

  5. #495
    Sage
    RiverDad's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    Last Seen
    04-20-14 @ 02:16 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    5,039

    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    But she and they, put their careers second. Men do not have to ever consider that. In many professional fields, time off to have children negatively effects a woman's earning power and trajectory. These are the women we are discussing. Something men never have to be concerned with. So, here we are again, women have to sacrifice and be scorned as not holding up their end of society.
    To the bolded. A wife has the power to change that. All she need do is first select a man to marry who has no accomplishment to his name. Then, when married, bargain like the dickens to construct a marriage which suits her interests by sacrificing on some issues and demanding the same degree of sacrifice from her husband.

    Wives are the most influential bargainers around to compel men to change.

    Now that I've laid the theoretical groundwork for women, I'll leave it up to the women to be attracted to men of no accomplishment and then to marry these men.

  6. #496
    Sage
    RiverDad's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    Last Seen
    04-20-14 @ 02:16 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    5,039

    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    Why do you lay this at the feet of women? Why are we responsible to make men productive?
    When a man and a woman are walking down a sidewalk and a mugger jumps out, why do the women leave it to the man to protect her instead of jumping forth and dispatching the mugger?

    Or when there is some nutcase shooting people in a theater, why is it that the boyfriends roll over and use their bodies to protect their girlfriends, with 3 men dying from this act, instead of the reverse?

  7. #497
    Global Moderator
    Moderator

    Gina's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2010
    Last Seen
    Today @ 12:54 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Liberal
    Posts
    31,918

    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    When a man and a woman are walking down a sidewalk and a mugger jumps out, why do the women leave it to the man to protect her instead of jumping forth and dispatching the mugger?

    Or when there is some nutcase shooting people in a theater, why is it that the boyfriends roll over and use their bodies to protect their girlfriends, with 3 men dying from this act, instead of the reverse?
    Um, that doesn't answer my questions. If a woman wasn't there, he wouldn't be motivated to dispatch the mugger?

    The same reason a mother would shield her child in the same circumstances. But really, what does any of that have to do with making women responsible for making men productive?
    I don't attack my constituents. Bob is my constituent now.
    This is the important stuff. We canít get lost in discrimination. We canít get lost in B.S. We canít get lost tearing each other down. I want to make a point here that no matter what you look like, where you come from, how you worship, who you love, how you identify, and yeah, how you run, that if you have good public policy ideas, if you are well qualified for office, bring those ideas to the table, because this is your America, too. This is our commonwealth of Virginia, too.
    Danica Roem - The nation's first openly transgender person elected to serve in a U.S. state legislature.

  8. #498
    Sage
    Glen Contrarian's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2013
    Location
    Bernie to the left of me, Hillary to the right, here I am...
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 10:19 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Progressive
    Posts
    15,538

    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    If given the chance to re-marry would you marry (another) American woman?

    Increasingly the answer is "no".

    Men are increasingly disrespected by American women. They face extreme economic and social disadvantages in family law that makes it possible for a wife to divorce them and take most of what they have including their children for any reason or no reason. They are constantly told that they are worthless and stupid. Disrespect for men has become standard practice. Men are disrespected by their wives Ė theyíre disrespected publicly, theyíre disrespected privately, theyíre disrespected and then told that they have no right to be upset about it because they arenít worthy of respect in the first place.

    Disrespect of men is a joke to Americans now.

    The result has been that men are increasingly dropping out of society. They don't marry, they don't go to college because they see no reason to break their humps to get ready to provide for a family -- they aren't going to be having a family.

    Lots has been written about this phenomena, most of it in the strain of "why is it that men are so childish now." But men are not dropping out because of arrested development. They are acting rationally in response to myriad laws, attitudes and hostility against them for the crime of happening to be male in the twenty-first century.

    Men on Strike: Why Men Are Boycotting Marriage, Fatherhood, and the American Dream - and Why It Matters: Helen Smith: 9781594036750: Amazon.com: Books
    Sounds like there are a lot of men here who are still stuck in the Neanderthal stage, who can't handle not being able to intimidate women to get their way.

    Here's another thing that will tick off the "real he-men" here - women are generally somewhat more intelligent than men.
    ďTo do evil, a human being must first of all believe that what heís doing is good" - Solzhenitsyn

    "...with the terrorists, you have to take out their families." - Donald Trump

  9. #499
    Sage
    RiverDad's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    Last Seen
    04-20-14 @ 02:16 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    5,039

    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    But really, what does any of that have to do with making women responsible for making men productive?
    It's not a matter of choice, it just is the way it is. Think of it like a low-grade depression. The will is eroded. Look at these guys yourself. They're going they're own way. They're not on script anymore. They seem to be happy, they're playing their games, mountain biking, going out with their buddies, and doing whatever it is that they're doing. What they're not doing is doing things which appeal to women. One of those things that they're not doing is working more than is necessary to maintain their minimalist lifestyle.

  10. #500
    Sage
    RiverDad's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    Last Seen
    04-20-14 @ 02:16 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    5,039

    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Sounds like there are a lot of men here who are still stuck in the Neanderthal stage, who can't handle not being able to intimidate women to get their way.
    Sure let's play with that and assume it to be true. OK, it's true. Now what? Nothing, that's what. What you're engaged in is a form of fat-shaming, something that is directed at fat, loser women to make them feel bad and start losing weight. Is that tactic applauded when directed at women? Should your tactic of shaming men be applauded?

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •