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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Johnson View Post
    Typical feminist rhetoric, assuming men who've built buildings, established electrical wires, leaders in science, are jealous because women now dominate paper pushing human resource positions.
    Jealous? What? Weird.

    Some men just dont like losing control and power. THey feel that the successes of women diminished them. They dont like it if women are more successful than them and that affects many relationships where the women end up earning more $$, for example. It's amusing that you use women in human resources depts as an excuse for more women being successful.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Jealous? What? Weird.

    Some men just dont like losing control and power. THey feel that the successes of women diminished them. They dont like it if women are more successful than them and that affects many relationships where the women end up earning more $$, for example. It's amusing that you use women in human resources depts as an excuse for more women being successful.
    Oprah can make me her bitch any day. Just sayin'.

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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    Reading further in your link, part of the problem is the Japanese business culture and social attitudes towards working mothers.


    It would seem a portion of their problems come from trying to force the old model that Americans have long since shrugged off. If it were more acceptable for a woman to have a family AND work, they might not be headed down this path and in reading further, it there are other societal customs and issues peculiar to Japan. I cannot copy and paste more (Fair Use) but to paraphrase, the expectations placed on married couples to buy property (a stress directly placed on men because working mothers are scandalous) and the uncertain demands of in-laws is freaking out men. When they do marry, men will work 20 hours a day and so are on their own a great deal. Sangha had this right in his earlier post. Japan's problems are economic and that is driving people to re-evaluate marriage.
    And? How does this differ significantly from the rest of the industrialized world?

    Japan is an extreme case. I'll freely admit that. However, the pressures at play are very similar to what we have in the United States as well.

    Even in our own country, more and more women are avoiding family and marriage in general because they believe the trade off simply isn't worth it. Motherhood is viewed as being a troublesome burden more than a blessing in modern culture; for many of the same reasons the article put forward (financial pressure, the stress of raising a family and working, ecta).

    Frankly, when you look at the numbers, we're really not doing all that much better than Japan anyway.

    Knocked Up and Knocked Down: Why America's widening fertility class divide is a problem.

    Is having kids now a 'social failure'?

    The Middle Class fertility rate in the United States is only 1.6, weeeeelll below anything even remotely resembling replacement levels.

    Furthermore, more "progressive" nations like Sweden, which give their women more benefits to offset the challenges of childrearing, really fare no better.

    Sweden Total fertility rate

    Economics clearly are not the major driving force in this change so much as general attitudes and the degradation of the traditional gender dynamic. Women simply don't seem to view marriage and family as being the priority that they once did.

    They are far more concerned with material advancement.
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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    I cannot believe human beings would forgo intimacy, except that technology in Japan is enabling that. They escape to a private world because they have no livable privacy.
    Which was my point. Technology is enabling many of the same things here.

    It really isn't especially inconceivable that we could eventually wind up with many of the same problems if current trends continue.
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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    It's about the problems for men that come along with marriage and kids in society today and their feelings and reactions towards those issues. Your preconceived notion that it was about "traditional gender roles" is completely and utterly unfounded, and furthermore, commenting on the contents, or worse, passing judgment on a book you never read is just flat out stupid. Lastly, the book was written a psychologist specializing in forensic issues and men's issues that was writing about what she learned directly from men themselves. She was at no point in time suggesting the problem was a desire for "traditional gender roles" nor was she supporting "traditional gender roles" in her arguments. Really, do not comment on books you have never read. It's stupid.
    It's cute how outraged you still are. I didnt denigrate the book or even dismiss it. Quite the defensive post there.^^^^
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    Excellent video, BTW.
    Thank you.

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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Oh and btw, there is little doubt many of your comments in this thread Lursa are sexist. The little attack on men you had in your unanswerable question was sexist and this crap about how anyone that complains wants to "return to traditional gender roles" or how they are unattractive is sexist bull****.
    And yet you wont quote it and you wont answer it. Pretty funny.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Of course I would, if I was ever in that situation. Now I would never marry a liberal woman, those are the ones that are not committed to a lifelong relationship. Every single conservative couple I've known has been married "until death do you part". I think if you get a divorce at all, you're doing it wrong.
    You have GOT to be kidding me... every single CON couple you know??? Is that like 3? I can't swing a dead cat in Walters Oklahoma, or my own family and not hit a Divorced CON or three! Look at the GOP leadership, a house of divorced men. Divorce is a fact of life visited on all political leans...

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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    And it doesnt seem to blame either gender particularly.

    The Japanese eat tons of soy....which is a big estrogen producer. Maybe that's affecting the men but then again, they've been eating it for hundreds of yrs....ah well, so much for that theory, lol.
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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Here's a chart showing regular employment for single women. It shows regular employment for women declining dramatically, which is odd for a group that has chosen a career over marriage

    I dunno. Isn't basing a causation assumption on a single chart rather risky? Risky in the sense that it's not likely to be correct?

    There could be a bunch of different reasons, other than marriage, for employment rates for unmarried women to fall. I'd think that more information would be needed to make that leap.

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