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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Really?

    Most modern societies have large # of single adults who are sexually inactive?

    Can you name them?
    Most modern societies have large numbers of women who are voluntarily choosing to forgo marriage, relationships, and procreation in favor of careers. This has also resulted in the rise of something of a "sexual underclass" of men who have stopped trying to pursue them.

    The OP alone demonstrates that this is the case even in the United States.

    The problem isn't as pronounced in the rest of the world as it is in Japan, but it is still present.

    You've argued that the fact that these Japanese men and women have no married and had children is because they prefer to remain single and childless. Since you to have remained single and childless, does this mean that you prefer to remain single and childless?
    At the time being, yes. If I was truly adamant on finding a wife right this second, I probably could.

    She'd be a bottom of the barrel barker, no doubt, but it likely could be done.

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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    I guess you don't realize that the fact that Japanese singles "depise sexual contact" is a clue that they are quite different culturally then we are.
    We are all ultimately only animals responding to external stimuli.

    If it can happen to them, it could happen to us. In some ways, we are trending in that direction already with the rise of internet porn and the "failure to launch" culture.

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    Wrong again. Traditional values do not include "marrying someone who can't fulfill their traditional role"
    Poor people have married for most of human history. Deciding that you'd rather have money than companionship is a personal choice.

    A lot of women simply don't want to give up their careers for the hassle of raising a family.

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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    Most modern societies have large numbers of women who are voluntarily choosing to forgo marriage, relationships, and procreation in favor of careers. This has also resulted in the rise of something of a "sexual underclass" of men who have stopped trying to pursue them.

    The OP alone demonstrates that this is the case even in the United States.
    Pay attention and focus!

    You claimed that:
    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    There is no other alternative. Most "modern" societies are failing in the same way Japan is.
    The Japanese birth rate is falling because their singles are not having sex. Please name these modern societies where, like Japan, young singles are sexually inactive

    At the time being, yes. If I was truly adamant on finding a wife right this second, I probably could.

    She'd be a bottom of the barrel barker, no doubt, but it likely could be done.
    So you prefer to remain single and childless?
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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    We are all ultimately only animals responding to external stimuli.

    If it can happen to them, it could happen to us. In some ways, we are trending in that direction already with the rise of internet porn and the "failure to launch" culture.
    And yet, the "animals" in Japan have responded to the stimuli in a completely different manner than the "animals" in the other modern societies.

    How unusual that people from different cultures behave differently!!

    ANd you are now arguing that the US is in danger of a lack of promiscuous sex after claiming that the US is awash in promiscuous sex


    Poor people have married for most of human history. Deciding that you'd rather have money than companionship is a personal choice.

    A lot of women simply don't want to give up their careers for the hassle of raising a family.
    The Japanese are not poor.

    And I've proven that they do want to give up their careers. In fact, as the article I linked to show, a large majority of those women do not have any career. From the article:

    At the same time, while some women with careers become active in society, the majority, whether they are single or married, still wind up in insecure employment positions, many of them becoming part-time workers or temporary staff dispatched from employment agencies. As a result, having a job did not make such women financially independent, and the need for wives to depend on their husbands did not change.
    Once again, you're making stuff up
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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    A lot of women simply don't want to give up their careers for the hassle of raising a family.
    Here's a chart showing regular employment for single women. It shows regular employment for women declining dramatically, which is odd for a group that has chosen a career over marriage

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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Pay attention and focus!

    You claimed that:

    The Japanese birth rate is falling because their singles are not having sex. Please name these modern societies where, like Japan, young singles are sexually inactive
    They are "failing" simply because young people are not marrying or reproducing at a rate anywhere near sufficient to keep the population stable. Most of the industrialized world is facing these same difficulties.

    Virtually the only countries getting by in this regard are those which can turn to immigration instead, therefore relying upon the poor and impoverished to do their breeding so the locals don't have to (which is problematic in and of itself).

    The "shut in" culture which results in young Japanese people having a lack of interest in sexual activity in general, as well as marriage and procreation, is an additional symptom of this overall problem. My point was that the state of affairs described in the OP shows some definite similarities to it.

    It is not especially far fetched to suggest that we might eventually see something similar to what has occurred in Japan in our society as well.

    So you prefer to remain single and childless?
    Until I have the resources available not to render any attempt at supporting a family a complete non-starter from the ground up, yes.

    Most of the men Japanese women are shooting down are in such situations.

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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    They are "failing" simply because young people are not marrying or reproducing at a rate anywhere near sufficient to keep the population stable. Most of the industrialized world is facing these same difficulties.
    You claimed that "Most "modern" societies are failing in the same way Japan is."

    Japan is failing, at least in part, because their singles are sexually inactive. Please prove your claim is correct by identifying those modern nations where singles are sexually inactive.

    Japan is also a nation where many singles despise sex. Please name those modern societies where the singles despise sex.


    Until I have the resources available not to render any attempt at supporting a family a complete non-starter from the ground up, yes.

    Most of the men Japanese women are shooting down are in such situations.
    IOW, you have chosen to put your material comfort above conforming to traditional gender roles. Just more evidence that those traditional values are a failure and your hypocrisy in criticizing society for not adhering to those traditions while refusing to adhere to those traditions yourself.
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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    Japanese, at the moment. I was simply saying that our own society seems to be showing many of the same trends.

    This is, for obvious reasons, troubling.



    It's already happened.

    Study Says Japanese Men And Women ďDespise Sexual ContactĒ: Birth Rates At All-Time Low
    Unfortunately the source of that comment is in Japanese. I'd love to read the details. I'm skeptical of such extreme views. Then I found this and really question the validity of that study:
    In the Japan Family Planning Association's 2013 study on sex among young people, there was far more data on men than women. I asked the association's head, Kunio Kitamura, why. "Sexual drive comes from males," said the man who advises the government. "Females do not experience the same levels of desire."

    Reading further in your link, part of the problem is the Japanese business culture and social attitudes towards working mothers.
    Tomita says a woman's chances of promotion in Japan stop dead as soon as she marries. "The bosses assume you will get pregnant." Once a woman does have a child, she adds, the long, inflexible hours become unmanageable. "You have to resign. You end up being a housewife with no independent income. It's not an option for women like me."

    Around 70% of Japanese women leave their jobs after their first child. The World Economic Forum consistently ranks Japan as one of the world's worst nations for gender equality at work. Social attitudes don't help. Married working women are sometimes demonised as oniyome, or "devil wives".
    It would seem a portion of their problems come from trying to force the old model that Americans have long since shrugged off. If it were more acceptable for a woman to have a family AND work, they might not be headed down this path and in reading further, it there are other societal customs and issues peculiar to Japan. I cannot copy and paste more (Fair Use) but to paraphrase, the expectations placed on married couples to buy property (a stress directly placed on men because working mothers are scandalous) and the uncertain demands of in-laws is freaking out men. When they do marry, men will work 20 hours a day and so are on their own a great deal. Sangha had this right in his earlier post. Japan's problems are economic and that is driving people to re-evaluate marriage.
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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    And children with paper routes who turn over their $5 per week paycheck to their parents are also not "freeloaders" in their parent's homes. They're paying their way. Right?
    Huh? You cannot compare working, childless adults to children working a paper route. Especially when single, childless people typically earn more and pay more taxes because they don't have 2.5 deductions to take.
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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    And yet, the "animals" in Japan have responded to the stimuli in a completely different manner than the "animals" in the other modern societies.
    They're avoiding marriage and procreation in favor of money grubbing self-centeredness.

    They're basically par for the course.

    Their reaction has just been a bit more extreme than most.

    ANd you are now arguing that the US is in danger of a lack of promiscuous sex after claiming that the US is awash in promiscuous sex
    "Promiscuous sex" is neither here nor there. You're missing the point.

    Screwing around outside of relationships is really no more desirable than simply avoiding them entirely. In some ways, the latter might actually be preferable, simply because it is less liable to result in socially burdensome unwanted pregnancies or STDs.

    The Japanese are not poor.
    Did I say they were?

    And I've proven that they do want to give up their careers. In fact, as the article I linked to show, a large majority of those women do not have any career. From the article:

    Once again, you're making stuff up
    Then they should be getting married if they're being honest about it being what they truly desire.

    Why aren't they?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Here's a chart showing regular employment for single women. It shows regular employment for women declining dramatically, which is odd for a group that has chosen a career over marriage

    And? What do think this shows?
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