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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    Are these Japanese or Americans to whom you are referring?
    Japanese, at the moment. I was simply saying that our own society seems to be exhibiting many of the same trends.

    This is, for obvious reasons, troubling.

    And then, really? Human beings are going to give up sex for materialistic pursuits?
    It's already happened.

    Study Says Japanese Men And Women “Despise Sexual Contact”: Birth Rates At All-Time Low

    A survey earlier this year by the Japan Family Planning Association (JFPA) found that 45% of women aged 16-24 “were not interested in or despised sexual contact.” More than a quarter of men felt the same way.
    Human beings were never meant to deal with many of the stimuli they face in modern society. The results should frankly be expected to be somewhat unusual.

    I'm honestly of the opinion that we might as well have giant monitors on our foreheads flashing "DOES NOT COMPUTE" at this point.
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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    Biology and human nature constrain our choices. There's no way of getting around a few issues. Women have a period of limited fertility. Men and women react differently to casual sex. Feminist philosophy is not going to be able to fix the issue of women's limited fertility time span and it's not going to be able to train women to react identical to men when the issue is casual sex, in terms of group responses.
    We don't owe society our fertility. Beyond that, I don't get what you are driving at. Why would women need to be trained to react identically to men, in term of group responses?

    That's OK. The problem which arises though is that many of the people who remain childless will have to depend on social welfare as they enter their golden years - someone is going to have to care for them and the system of financing that social welfare is built upon the notion that people are going to have children. In effect, instead of individual children caring for their own retired parents we have society's children caring for society's retired parents. The childless are free loaders here in that they never undertook the costs of raising a family. So, the issue in play is that there is an assumed responsibility which must be met in order to reap a real benefit.

    The SS and Medicare systems are running into trouble precisely because of miscalculations on the demographics issue. We're not having enough babies who will grow up to be workers and taxpayers to keep the system actuarially sound.
    Childless people, pay taxes for services they never use, schools. So they can't exactly be called freeloaders.

    That is a problem and one we will have to come to terms with soon.
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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    I said yes in honor of my wife of 31 years. This marriage has been great (my second, her first). She is supportive, sweet, intelligent, trustworth, consistent, truthful, loyal, and she loves ME. She respects what I am good at, and overlooks my weaknesses. We work together well, we know what each other excels at, and that person controls in areas they excel at, after explaining WHY their option is better. We raised our 3 kids together, all are in their 20's and moving forward productively with their lives. I have had a good life, and my wife has played a major role in making that the case. I would be selective as I was when I married her, if I had to do it again, but I do enjoy cultural similarity with her.

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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    Childless people, pay taxes for services they never use, schools. So they can't exactly be called freeloaders.
    And children with paper routes who turn over their $5 per week paycheck to their parents are also not "freeloaders" in their parent's homes. They're paying their way. Right?

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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    However, that is ultimately besides the point. We were discussing why the most recent generations of Japanese youths have tended to avoid marriage, relationships, and procreation, not the morality of this state of affairs. The simple fact of the matter is that this is the case overwhelmingly because the young people in question have chosen to do so.

    Women have ceased to be interested in male companionship, and so men have stopped trying to pursue them. Both genders have made the conscious decision to allow self-centered materialistic pursuits to trump their need for human contact.

    It is what it is.
    Except that it isn't

    Here is the evidence again that shows that Japanese men and women have traditional values with respect to marriage and want to get married. I am posting it again so that you can continue to ignore the evidence



    Here's a link to the article that the video is based on:

    Japan

    The situation in Japan was altogether different. Despite ongoing social change, young people remained firmly committed to the conventional understanding of the family, in which the husband works and the wife in most cases is a full-time homemaker. It was in this context that Japan’s birthrate fell. Sexual liberation did indeed make some progress, as premarital sex came to be accepted, but feminism and the revolution in lifestyles did not penetrate deeply into society. For instance, even today the cohabitation rate among young men and women remains under 2% (1.6% in 2010), and the out-of-wedlock birthrate is at the extremely low level of 2% (2.1% in 2008).
    Their extremely low out of wedlock birthrate should be your first clue that different cultures are, you know, *different*

    Accounting for the great majority of unmarried Japanese, they are young people who continue to live with their parents even after attaining adulthood. In general, they tend not to have active sex lives.
    Unlike in the US, Japanese single adults tend to not have active sex lives. Another clue that different cultures are different

    It is important to note that a very large share of unmarried Japanese hope to get married. Even after the ratio of unmarried people began climbing in the 1980s, the percentage hoping to find a marriage partner sooner or later remained at the high 90% level, with only small variation up and down.
    But wait!! How could that possibly be true when GaThomas says they don't want to get married?

    It is commonly argued that the rise in the unmarried rate is the result of an increase in the number of young women who reject marriage because they want to keep on working. In Japan’s case, however, this line of thinking is not valid in most cases. In opinion polls, only a minority of women say that their desire to focus on their career is a reason for their not wanting to get married. The great majority say that they want to get married and to be able to depend on their husband financially. Several surveys have also shown that since the start of the twenty-first century, the number of women in their twenties who hope they can become full-time homemakers has even been increasing.
    Oh noes!! More evidence that directly contradicts what you've been saying! How could that possibly be true?!!

    It's almost as if this sociologist is out to get you, Gath!
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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Except that it isn't

    Here is the evidence again that shows that Japanese men and women have traditional values with respect to marriage and want to get married. I am posting it again so that you can continue to ignore the evidence



    Here's a link to the article that the video is based on:

    Japan



    Their extremely low out of wedlock birthrate should be your first clue that different cultures are, you know, *different*



    Unlike in the US, Japanese single adults tend to not have active sex lives. Another clue that different cultures are different



    But wait!! How could that possibly be true when GaThomas says they don't want to get married?



    Oh noes!! More evidence that directly contradicts what you've been saying! How could that possibly be true?!!

    It's almost as if this sociologist is out to get you, Gath!
    Again, they clearly don't have "traditional values," or they would be getting married.

    They are only paying lip service to the idea, because societal pressure is basically "guilting" them into it.

    Actions ultimately matter more than words.
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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    There is no other alternative. Most "modern" societies are failing in the same way Japan is.
    Really?

    Most modern societies have large # of single adults who are sexually inactive?

    Can you name them?

    I'm not following.
    You've argued that the fact that these Japanese men and women have no married and had children is because they prefer to remain single and childless. Since you to have remained single and childless, does this mean that you prefer to remain single and childless?
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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    I'd like to see it. I looked back through the thread, but I'm sorry, I could not find it.
    I had posted it in an earlier thread where Gath ignored it. I have reposted it.

    Are these Japanese or Americans to whom you are referring?
    Japanese, and then claiming that Americans are doing the same thing to a lesser degree. However, as my links show, the Japanese culture is quite different.

    I bet you're stunned to learn that different cultures are different!

    And then, really? Human beings are going to give up sex for materialistic pursuits?
    Yep, that's his argument. Hilarious, ain't it.
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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    Japanese, at the moment. I was simply saying that our own society seems to be exhibiting many of the same trends.

    This is, for obvious reasons, troubling.



    It's already happened.

    Study Says Japanese Men And Women “Despise Sexual Contact”: Birth Rates At All-Time Low



    Human beings were never meant to deal with many of the stimuli they face in modern society. The results should frankly be expected to be somewhat unusual.

    I'm honestly of the opinion that we might as well have giant monitors on our foreheads flashing "DOES NOT COMPUTE" at this point.
    I guess you don't realize that the fact that Japanese singles "depise sexual contact" is a clue that they are quite different culturally then we are.
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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    Again, they clearly don't have "traditional values," or they would be getting married.

    They are only paying lip service to the idea, because societal pressure is basically "guilting" into it.

    Actions ultimately matter more than words.
    Wrong again. Traditional values do not include "marrying someone who can't fulfill their traditional role"

    And if actions matter more than words, does this mean that you prefer to remain single and childless?

    Or does that only apply to other people?
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