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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    If given the chance to re-marry would you marry (another) American woman?

    Increasingly the answer is "no".

    Men are increasingly disrespected by American women. They face extreme economic and social disadvantages in family law that makes it possible for a wife to divorce them and take most of what they have including their children for any reason or no reason. They are constantly told that they are worthless and stupid. Disrespect for men has become standard practice. Men are disrespected by their wives Ė theyíre disrespected publicly, theyíre disrespected privately, theyíre disrespected and then told that they have no right to be upset about it because they arenít worthy of respect in the first place.

    Disrespect of men is a joke to Americans now.

    The result has been that men are increasingly dropping out of society. They don't marry, they don't go to college because they see no reason to break their humps to get ready to provide for a family -- they aren't going to be having a family.

    Lots has been written about this phenomena, most of it in the strain of "why is it that men are so childish now." But men are not dropping out because of arrested development. They are acting rationally in response to myriad laws, attitudes and hostility against them for the crime of happening to be male in the twenty-first century.

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    On the other hand, the pendulum swings back and forth. Seems like it's not all bad news.

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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    If they wanted to be married with children, they would be. They're simply putting other priorities first.
    And as we see in America, especially in the black community, the option of marrying the government plus having children is a viable path for many women.

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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    Then their standards are too high, which is a personal choice on their own part.

    Again, many women who remain unmarried and childless in our own society claim the same thing; that they're "just waiting for the right guy," time, circumstances, or etca. The simple fact of the matter is that it's all nothing more than self-rationalizing B.S., meant to justify life decisions that they feel to be outside of established norms.

    If they wanted to be married with children, they would be. They're simply putting other priorities first.
    What is wrong with them putting other priorities first? Men do this. Why is it that women automatically need to sacrifice their lives to be brood mares? Some women don't have a maternal instinct. God bless them for knowing themselves enough not to put kids through the agony of being raised by a mother who didn't really want them.

    I've told all my kids, they do not owe me grandchildren. Become parents because they want to, not out of some sense of duty to me.
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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    Then their standards are too high, which is a personal choice on their own part.
    Yes, traditional gender roles are unrealistic for a modern society. Their preference to marry according to traditional values is not suitable for the modern era
    Again, many women who remain unmarried and childless in our own society claim the same thing; that they're "just waiting for the right guy," time, circumstances, or etca. The simple fact of the matter is that it's all nothing more than self-rationalizing B.S., meant to justify life decisions that they feel to be outside of established norms.

    If they wanted to be married with children, they would be. They're simply putting other priorities first.
    So then I take it you don't want to be married with children, have a career, live in your own home, and be generally independent? You have put other priorities first?
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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    What is wrong with them putting other priorities first? Men do this. Why is it that women automatically need to sacrifice their lives to be brood mares? Some women don't have a maternal instinct. God bless them for knowing themselves enough not to put kids through the agony of being raised by a mother who didn't really want them.

    I've told all my kids, they do not owe me grandchildren. Become parents because they want to, not out of some sense of duty to me.
    In a society which is failing to replace its numbers on such a grand scale that it's total population is basically expected to half itself before the end of the century, the attitude is certainly problematic.

    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi..._1870-2100.png

    However, that is ultimately besides the point. We were discussing why the most recent generations of Japanese youths have tended to avoid marriage, relationships, and procreation, not the morality of this state of affairs. The simple fact of the matter is that this is the case overwhelmingly because the young people in question have chosen to do so.

    Women have ceased to be interested in male companionship, and so men have stopped trying to pursue them. Both genders have made the conscious decision to allow self-centered materialistic pursuits to trump their need for human contact.

    It is what it is.

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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Yes, traditional gender roles are unrealistic for a modern society. Their preference to marry according to traditional values is not suitable for the modern era
    There is no other alternative. Most "modern" societies are failing in the same way Japan is.

    They're not doing so to the same degree that the Japanese might be, but the same fundamental problems are present.

    So then I take it you don't want to be married with children, have a career, live in your own home, and be generally independent? You have put other priorities first?
    I'm not following.

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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    What is wrong with them putting other priorities first? Men do this.
    Biology and human nature constrain our choices. There's no way of getting around a few issues. Women have a period of limited fertility. Men and women react differently to casual sex. Feminist philosophy is not going to be able to fix the issue of women's limited fertility time span and it's not going to be able to train women to react identical to men when the issue is casual sex, in terms of group responses.

    Why is it that women automatically need to sacrifice their lives to be brood mares? Some women don't have a maternal instinct.
    That's OK. The problem which arises though is that many of the people who remain childless will have to depend on social welfare as they enter their golden years - someone is going to have to care for them and the system of financing that social welfare is built upon the notion that people are going to have children. In effect, instead of individual children caring for their own retired parents we have society's children caring for society's retired parents. The childless are free loaders here in that they never undertook the costs of raising a family. So, the issue in play is that there is an assumed responsibility which must be met in order to reap a real benefit.

    The SS and Medicare systems are running into trouble precisely because of miscalculations on the demographics issue. We're not having enough babies who will grow up to be workers and taxpayers to keep the system actuarially sound.

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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    http://www.youtube.com/embed/cO1ifNaNABY?wmode=opaque

    On the other hand, the pendulum swings back and forth. Seems like it's not all bad news.
    Excellent video, BTW.

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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Yes, traditional gender roles are unrealistic for a modern society. Their preference to marry according to traditional values is not suitable for the modern era
    Then we're engaged in a grand game of "Chicken" or we're facing an immovable object meeting an unstoppable force.

    Can human nature be changed to accommodate these new realities of modern society or will modern society have to reform in order to align with human nature.

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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    You are making that up. You do not know anything about what the young Japanese singles are doing. I have already posted the data for you. If you like, I can post it again.

    This way, you can ignore it again.
    I'd like to see it. I looked back through the thread, but I'm sorry, I could not find it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    Women have ceased to be interested in male companionship, and so men have stopped trying to pursue them. Both genders have made the conscious decision to allow self-centered materialistic pursuits to trump their need for human contact.

    It is what it is.
    Are these Japanese or Americans to whom you are referring?

    And then, really? Human beings are going to give up sex for materialistic pursuits?
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