Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?[W:771]

DA60 · Feb 28, 2014

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Dragonfly said:
So would it be "ideal" then to segregate children into boys only classes, and girls only classes, and have the boys taught by men, and the gitrls taught by women?

Not being sarcastic here..... but I think you'll find that there are probably more men teaching kids now than there was 60 years ago. At least in the primary school age range.

I'm just not buying into the idea that there's a massive male-discrimination thing happening.

Men/boys are not victims.

Neither am I - not for a second.

The OP theory sounds like a case of sour grapes to me.

LowDown · Feb 28, 2014

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tacomancer said:
I thought it was Obama we were supposed to be blaming!

No, but he hasn't helped a bit. Yet another liberal who wants to play sugar daddy to all the women folk. Women emerge liberated and become independent only to become dependent on The Man? Maybe you saw the Life of Julia before the Obama campaign took it down. I can't see how any strong and intelligent person would endorse it. It spawned a number of parodies. A summary is here.

Dragonfly · Feb 28, 2014

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ChrisL said:
No one said they were "victims."

I thought the entire premise of this thread was a whiny "men are victims" rant of pathetic proportions?

German guy · Feb 28, 2014

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LowDown said:
No, but he hasn't helped a bit. Yet another liberal who wants to play sugar daddy to all the women folk. Women emerge liberated and become independent only to become dependent on The Man? Maybe you saw the Life of Julia before the Obama campaign took it down. I can't see how any strong and intelligent person would endorse it. It spawned a number of parodies. A summary is here.

Well I dunno. I like that my wife and I are on eyelevel rather than I am being the one who gives the orders and takes all the decisions. It's also our plan that I will do the main part of raising the kid(s), while she's making her PhD. Not because she forced me, or anything, it was simply a no-brainer because I love kids and she's much more ambitious than I am. So we're not exactly a "classical" couple. Yet she's never mocked my masculinity nor did I ever feel oppressed. We simply make decisions on eyelevel. :/

LowDown · Feb 28, 2014

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Dragonfly said:
So would it be "ideal" then to segregate children into boys only classes, and girls only classes, and have the boys taught by men, and the gitrls taught by women?

Not being sarcastic here..... but I think you'll find that there are probably more men teaching kids now than there was 60 years ago. At least in the primary school age range.

I'm just not buying into the idea that there's a massive male-discrimination thing happening.

Men/boys are not victims.

The number of men teaching in elementary schools is pretty small. There has been a lot of talk about increasing the number of male teachers, but there has been no movement or change in the percentages for the last 10 years. I suspect this is because of push back from the women administrators and teachers. Some women regard men interested in teaching as sexual predators.

LowDown · Feb 28, 2014

German guy said:
The particular people I have in mind I somewhat know, a clique of about half a dozen, around 30 years old, have not had a relationship that lasted longer than 2 years so far, if they had any at all. Of course that's anecdotical evidence, but I don't think they untypical for the Berlin club scene. I've superficially met others who are 40 already and still consider it the main purpose of their lives to go clubbing and drinking whenever they have a free moment, desperately trying to hide their age.

There will always be people like that, but I doubt if that scene helps.

LowDown · Feb 28, 2014

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German guy said:
Well I dunno. I like that my wife and I are on eyelevel rather than I am being the one who gives the orders and takes all the decisions. It's also our plan that I will do the main part of raising the kid(s), while she's making her PhD. Not because she forced me, or anything, it was simply a no-brainer because I love kids and she's much more ambitious than I am. So we're not exactly a "classical" couple. Yet she's never mocked my masculinity nor did I ever feel oppressed. We simply make decisions on eyelevel. :/

The buzz in some quarters these days is that what women really want is a strong masculine male who is unafraid to lead them. Go figure. It is human nature to want what you're not getting, I guess.

German guy · Feb 28, 2014

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LowDown said:
The buzz in some quarters these days is that what women really want is a strong masculine male who is unafraid to lead them. Go figure. It is human nature to want what you're not getting, I guess.

That, and probably generalizations like that only lead so far, I guess. In the end, every male and female is an individual with different preferences.

Gathomas88 · Feb 28, 2014

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Dragonfly said:
Other than perhaps shop classes - when has school ever been a hands-on type of environment?

100 years ago was math, english, writing, reading, a hands-on learning process?

Some science stuff is obviously, but generally speaking in the early 1900's was school hands-on and interactive?

The public educational system changes all the time. A lot of schools have started to cut programs like recess and sports in recent years.

Cutting Physical Education and Recess: Troubling Trends and How You Can Help

"Zero tolerance" policies have exploded since the 1990s as well.

What do you think happens when you take young boys, who tend to be far more aggressive and energetic than young girls anyway, and then remove their only real physical outlet for that aggression, while ramping up the penalties for even minor offenses to absurdly disproportionate degrees at the same time?

A lot of boys wind up being labeled as "troublemakers," that's what. In some cases, this might very well lead them to be discriminated against by (largely female) teachers and school administration.

Additionally, school curriculum and teaching methods these days often tend to change at the drop of the hat. As RiverDad has already pointed out, a lot of more modern curriculum emphasizes "busy work" over actual achievement. Simply because girls are more willing to do busy work, where boys are more likely to rebel against it, doesn't mean that boys are less intelligent, or less academically qualified.

I'm certainly not claiming that boys are "victims" here, but there would appear to be some problems inherent to our current system which aren't doing them any favors at the present moment.

sangha · Feb 28, 2014

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A lot of boys *are* troublemakers and demonstrating that one is able to use the skills and knowledge one has gained in the classroom is not "busywork"; it's a better measure of scholastic achievement than scoring well on a test.

Dragonfly · Feb 28, 2014

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LowDown said:
The number of men teaching in elementary schools is pretty small. There has been a lot of talk about increasing the number of male teachers, but there has been no movement or change in the percentages for the last 10 years. I suspect this is because of push back from the women administrators and teachers. Some women regard men interested in teaching as sexual predators.

Oh come on....please..... MEN ARE NOT VICTIMS !!!!!

NoC_T · Feb 28, 2014

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ChrisL said:
Well, we don't really know how "happy" either of them really are. I'm sure the money helps to make the both of them happier with their situations. Besides, I think she KNEW who Donald Trump was, and I never heard that she was a mail order bride. :lol:

No, just a prostitute. Still, I'm sure she went into it with her eyes (and legs) open. I ****ing know he did. :lol:

Gathomas88 · Feb 28, 2014

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sangha said:
A lot of boys *are* troublemakers

And? It is a teacher's job to adapt their teaching style to the student, not the other way around.

Boys have always been more prone to act out than girls. Teachers seemed to have been perfectly capable of handling male students in this regard without getting their proverbial "panties in a twist" in the past.

How is it productive to basically ensure that boys will be more likely to get in trouble by removing physical outlets for their energy, if you're going to slap them down with ludicrous penalties for it?

In the past couple of years alone, we've had boys suspended or expelled for things as innocuous as making pretend guns with their fingers and kissing girls on the cheek. How many more ridiculous punishments do you think have slipped past the media's notice?

It and demonstrating that one is able to use the skills and knowledge one has gained in the classroom is not "busywork"; it's a better measure of scholastic achievement than scoring well on a test.

Prove it. The only generation to be raised under this style of education so far has had more trouble translating their academic experiences into the workforce than any other in our nation's history.

NoC_T · Feb 28, 2014

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Dragonfly said:
Oh come on....please..... MEN ARE NOT VICTIMS !!!!!

Correct. We don't need to be, either.

LowDown · Feb 28, 2014

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Dragonfly said:
Oh come on....please..... MEN ARE NOT VICTIMS !!!!!

How about little boys? Is being told that boys are bad and being drugged for displaying perfectly normal boisterous boy behavior in school something little boys should just be stoic about?

Some women tell us that the manly, stoic reaction to pain is part of what is all wrong with men. We should be more like them, they say.

sangha · Feb 28, 2014

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Gathomas88 said:
And? It is a teacher's job to adapt their teaching style to the student, not the other way around.

No, it is not the teachers' job to make sure the child behaves. That's the parent's job

Boys have always been more prone to act out than girls. Teachers seemed to have been perfectly capable of handling male students in this regard without getting their proverbial "panties in a twist" in the past.

And the way they handle it is by lowering grades, or expelling them if they become too troublesome.

How is it productive to basically ensure that boys will be more likely to get in trouble by removing physical outlets for their energy, if you're going to slap them down with ludicrous penalties for it?

They have plenty of outlets for their energy

In the past couple of years alone, we've had boys suspended or expelled for things as innocuous as making pretend guns with their fingers and kissing girls on the cheek. How many more ridiculous punishments do you think have slipped past the media's notice?

zero tolerance rules, which I do not support, is a right wing idea.

Prove it. The only generation to be raised under this style of education so far has had more trouble translating their academic experiences into the workforce than any other in our nation's history.

Every generation has had to demonstrate an ability to put the skills and knowledge they've gained in the classroom to use in the classroom in order to get a passing grade. It's not a new thing.

Gathomas88 · Feb 28, 2014

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sangha said:
No, it is not the teachers' job to make sure the child behaves. That's the parent's job

Is that why you blatantly contradict this statement by defending the effects of zero tolerance policies upon male students in your very next sentence? :lol:

And the way they handle it is by lowering grades, or expelling them if they become too troublesome.

A "teacher" who cannot educate their students is incompetent and lazy. They deserve neither the job, nor the title.

They have plenty of outlets for their energy

Prove it. What "outlets" does a boy without recess or sports possess during the 8 to 12 hours daily he is required to sit in class?

zero tolerance rules, which I do not support, is a right wing idea.

Then I would suggest you stop doing everything in your power to rationalize and defend them.

Every generation has had to demonstrate an ability to put the skills and knowledge they've gained in the classroom to use in the classroom in order to get a passing grade. It's not a new thing.

And? The "skills" (I.e. busy work) students are currently being peddled in the classroom are turning out to be by and large worthless for making that leap.

Again Sangha, why are you going out of your way to defend a clearly failed system that you claim to not even support?

Is it because you are desperate to rationalize this bizarre grudge you seem to harbor against the male gender, or is it simply because it makes for easier fodder where b/f/t is concerned? :lol

The level of hypocrisy and intellectual dishonesty on display here is beyond transparent.

AlbqOwl · Feb 28, 2014

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Hmmm, I check in to see how it's going with marrying off American women to American men, and find a discussion on education?

Do you ever wonder how that happens?

Gathomas88 · Feb 28, 2014

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AlbqOwl said:
Hmmm, I check in to see how it's going with marrying off American women to American men, and find a discussion on education?

Do you ever wonder how that happens?

Some people argue more on the basis of trying to "bait" other posters and score imaginary points in their own heads than trying to have meaningful discussions.

As such, it tends to be in these people's best interests to be argumentative for the Hell of it, even when they do not really believe what they are saying. This often leads minor tangents to explode into full on flame wars.

AlbqOwl · Feb 28, 2014

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Gathomas88 said:
Some people argue more on the basis of trying to "bait" other posters and score imaginary points in their own heads than trying to have meaningful discussions.

As such it tends to be in these people's best interests to be argumentative for the Hell of it, even when they do not really believe what they are saying. This often leads minor tangents to explode into full on flame wars.

Well yeah, but even a flame war should be on topic.

Gathomas88 · Feb 28, 2014

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AlbqOwl said:
Well yeah, but even a flame war should be on topic.

True.

Gipper · Feb 28, 2014

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Since I have little overall desire to leave the country, I'll have to have an American woman.

Ray410 · Feb 28, 2014

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Dragonfly said:
I thought the entire premise of this thread was a whiny "men are victims" rant of pathetic proportions?

The intolerant closed mind and raging hatred of men that is reflected in your posts perfectly confirms the entire premise of the OP. Can you not see this?

sangha · Feb 28, 2014

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Gathomas88 said:
Is that why you blatantly contradict this statement by defending the effects of zero tolerance policies upon male students in your very next sentence? :lol:

I explicitly stated that I oppose zero tolerance. Your belief that I defended them is just another example of you ignoring anything that contradicts your beliefs.

A "teacher" who cannot educate their students is incompetent and lazy. They deserve neither the job, nor the title.

Some people are not educable.

Prove it. What "outlets" does a boy without recess or sports possess during the 8 to 12 hours daily he is required to sit in class?

They can do whatever they want they're not in school. And school isn't even 8 hours

And? The "skills" (I.e. busy work) students are currently being peddled in the classroom are turning out to be by and large worthless for making that leap.

The results prove you wrong.

Dragonfly · Feb 28, 2014

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Ray410 said:
The raging hatred of men that is reflected in your posts pretty well confirms the entire premise of the OP. Can you not see this?

There's no "raging hatred of men" here.
I just don't make pissy, childish excuses for us either.
Men have ruled the world since the dawn of time.
We hold the vast majority of positions of power.
Who are the richest people in the world?
Who are the most famous?
Who are the most powerful?

Even "GOD" is a male.

Gimme a damned break.

Where is all this nonsense coming from?

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