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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    I don't think the bolded is it at all. I think that men want someone who not only loves them, but likes them as well, and is willing to work at having a relationship, rather than running out the door at the first sign of trouble. My experience and observation over the past 35-40 years is that women are usually the party in a marriage that doesn't have what it takes to make it last. They give up easily, and they don't want to accept men as they are, but they do expect men to accept them as they are. It's very mixed signals.
    Female solipsism is a very strong force in play here. Societal and institutional checks which work to keep it constrained make everyone happier.

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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Women call them careers; men call them jobs.
    Glad you've shown your ignorance early.

    Every discussion between men and women is 'sexist' these days, at least by the more 'sensitive' sort.
    Do you know the definition of "sexist?"
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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Every discussion between men and women is 'sexist' these days, at least by the more 'sensitive' sort. Lursa also appears to handle her opinions very well.

    If the discussion offends you, you know what to do.
    Oh please, as soon as she saw that men were complaining she just assumed it was a desire to make women their inferiors. Lursa's comment was sexist, and frankly, I have seen Lursa be sexist on this forum plenty of times.

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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Oh please, as soon as she saw that men were complaining she just assumed it was a desire to make women their inferiors. Lursa's comment was sexist, and frankly, I have seen Lursa be sexist on this forum plenty of times.
    To this point, she pretty much admitted flat out that when she read the description of the book when she saw the words marriage and kids she had a preconceived notion that men were desiring to make women their inferiors and that the book was expressing this desire. Where would that little preconceived notion come from you think and why would someone have it? Isn't it a bit interesting that she couldn't help herself to express it? Lursa is a sexist, and she can deny it all she wants but I have plenty of evidence towards it.

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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    Which is exactly what I said in the first place. Our culture is basically headed down the same road as Japan, where women have become so picky as to render relationship seeking futile, so a great many men have simply given up and stopped looking. This is not a desirable state of affairs.
    Japan in one sense, but also Saudi Arabia in a different sense. Our culture is moving to a polygamous future like that seen in the Middle East. I don't necessarily mean one man having 4 wives though, I mean a high value male having access to many women for decades long stretches. In Saudi Arabia many women actually choose to be the 2nd, 3rd or 4th wife of a wealthy, respected man rather than the only wife of a goat herder. In the West, with women mostly being economically self-sufficient, the equation changes by moving the focus away from security and more towards tingles. Many women would rather invest lot's of time and effort in capturing the Leader of the Pack, the Rockstar, the Big Man, and will be part of his harem until they realize that he's not going to get rid of the harem and devote himself to her. Many of these women are by then all dried up and their SMV is drastically reduced.

    For men, the results here in America are the same as in Saudi Arabia - top dogs get a disproportionate share of women and the men on the bottom are left womenless.

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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    Isn't the problem actually that most of them are deliberately going out of their way to avoid traditional gender norms which they find to be "troublesome" by remaining single and financially independent in the first place?
    No, actually that is not the problem

    In Japan, both men and women are actively seeking potential mates. The problem is that there are not enough men who make enough money to support a family, and not enough women who will accept a non-traditional marriage that requires that she work full-time

    Sure, they'll pay lip service to the idea of marriage and family (as most women with that kind of lifestyle will), but they're generally not going to rush out to marry a man unless he is the very "cream of the crop." As such men tend to be rare, this naturally leads many of them to simply remain indefinitely single.
    You are making that up. You do not know anything about what the young Japanese singles are doing. I have already posted the data for you. If you like, I can post it again.

    This way, you can ignore it again.
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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    No, actually that is not the problem

    In Japan, both men and women are actively seeking potential mates. The problem is that there are not enough men who make enough money to support a family, and not enough women who will accept a non-traditional marriage that requires that she work full-time



    You are making that up. You do not know anything about what the young Japanese singles are doing. I have already posted the data for you. If you like, I can post it again.

    This way, you can ignore it again.
    I'd have to agree with you. I do not fully comprehend why so many westerners make assumptions on asia and how we are living our traditions

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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    flouride

    just ask dr strangelove
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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Yep.......and then some.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    Japan in one sense, but also Saudi Arabia in a different sense. Our culture is moving to a polygamous future like that seen in the Middle East. I don't necessarily mean one man having 4 wives though, I mean a high value male having access to many women for decades long stretches. In Saudi Arabia many women actually choose to be the 2nd, 3rd or 4th wife of a wealthy, respected man rather than the only wife of a goat herder. In the West, with women mostly being economically self-sufficient, the equation changes by moving the focus away from security and more towards tingles. Many women would rather invest lot's of time and effort in capturing the Leader of the Pack, the Rockstar, the Big Man, and will be part of his harem until they realize that he's not going to get rid of the harem and devote himself to her. Many of these women are by then all dried up and their SMV is drastically reduced.

    For men, the results here in America are the same as in Saudi Arabia - top dogs get a disproportionate share of women and the men on the bottom are left womenless.
    What it basically results in is men serving as "studs" for the purposes of breeding and sex, without any real attachment to either the woman in question or her offspring. After all, a lone "alpha male" can easily wrack up hundreds of different conquests and short term relationships over the course of his life time, and never give a second thought to any of them on a long term basis.

    This is exactly the situation we have seen develop in the African American community over the course of the last few decades with their rampant "baby momma" culture, as a matter of fact. Desirable men basically move from one woman to another like animals while leaving trails of fatherless children in their wake.

    The "bourgeois" version of this trend is arguably a bit cleaner, but might actually be worse in the long run, due to the prevalence of birth control among more educated and moneyed demographics. Not only can these people have a tendency to opt out of long term relationships in favor of meaningless, uncommitted, or "casual" trysts, but, under most circumstances, they're not even reproducing in the process either.

    If this results in unproductive persons coming to outnumber the productive, this could potentially become rather problematic for our society as a whole.

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