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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    If anything, I think the world would be better off with women having more power, not less.
    Let's understand what is going on as this revolution unfolds. The older, more oppressive, system which governed society certainly constrained choices and there were consequences from those constrained choices. This newer model system has certainly opened up choices and this too has created consequences.

    Which system is better is a complicated question which rests on how we define "better."



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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Interesting. Women are doing this too you know. I think I may fit that pattern, except I'm pretty happy with my piece of the American Dream. What makes the author think that these men are missing out on 'their' American Dream? (I havent read it, it may be covered.):

    Men on Strike: Why Men Are Boycotting Marriage, Fatherhood, and the American Dream - and Why It Matters: Helen Smith: 9781594036750: Amazon.com: Books

    We chose to live together, we decided we didnt want kids, so werent all that motivated to get married. It didnt mean all that much to us. For 11 of 13 yrs, we had a very good relationship. Then it was just basically over....kinda quietly, no drama, etc. We went our separate ways. The separation actually gave me more opportunity to pursue what I'd always wanted.

    I opted out of marriage, and kids. No regrets. I have several female friends in similar situations. Several women, but I can only think of one man. Interesting.

    However I think it's indicative that not only men are 'opting out' of traditional roles.' Altho I suppose the OP and the book are implying that it's American women's faults that men are doing so.

    Edit: and btw, I cant knock it. I think way too many people are pressured into marriage...and kids...by family and by society. Too early and too much. Not everyone is cut out for it.
    I agree with your post...but especially the highlighted part.

    I think a major problem in the world (among many) is too many lousy parents having children and f'ing the poor things up in the process. And then those children grow up (messed up) and then have children and mess their kids up.
    And so on.

    No wonder society is so f'ed up.

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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    I haven't married an American, yet, I would. I had many great relationships with American women, but for some reason just wasn't in the right place or time for doing so. I suspect in the end, there are countless reasons why American women are unsettled as they are on this matter. Many do seem to be getting married. All in all, the problem may not be just with men or women, but both. They seemingly grow more and more unsettled, ungrateful, and all too more comforted by material gain, vanity, and notice over any true desire to love and be loved.

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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    Let's understand what is going on as this revolution unfolds. The older, more oppressive, system which governed society certainly constrained choices and there were consequences from those constrained choices. This newer model system has certainly opened up choices and this too has created consequences.

    Which system is better is a complicated question which rests on how we define "better."


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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    Let's understand what is going on as this revolution unfolds. The older, more oppressive, system which governed society certainly constrained choices and there were consequences from those constrained choices. This newer model system has certainly opened up choices and this too has created consequences.

    Which system is better is a complicated question which rests on how we define "better."


    No it's not...it's simple.

    Equality is ALWAYS better. Suppressing people is NEVER better.

    Forcing women into marriages they don't want and cannot get out of due to financial/social restrictions helps no one.

    I don't want a wife who stays with me because she is afraid to 'go it alone'. I want a wife who thinks I am the best partner that she can find for her...period.
    And the minute she no longer feels that way, I want her to go (I would rather live alone then with the wrong woman ANYDAY...I tried it both ways and I much prefer the former; but that's just me).
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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    No it's not...it's simple.
    You're wrong, it's complex. This is not some simple static model here, we're dealing with dynamic forces in play. Move one piece and this affects another piece, which in turn affects another piece. Lot's of unforeseen consequences coming out in the wash.

    Equality is ALWAYS better.
    As I noted, this depend on how you define "better." If Equality creates more opportunity but also creates dissatisfaction with social or married life, then only those who value opportunity (in whichever form it takes) are going to say that the deal is better. Those who get shortchanged in life satisfaction are going to say that matters are worse despite having the equality to pursue more opportunities.

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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    In concurrence with the OP, and how changing attitudes have changed the marriage landscape, here is a very interesting article from the usually Liberal New York Times on how moving away from traditional roles in marriage to an asexual division of labor, as is often demanded by Liberal Feminist women, may affect your sex life:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/09/ma...-sex.html?_r=0


    "Does a More Equal Marriage mean less Sex?"

    Definitely worth a quick read.
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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    No it's not...it's simple.

    Equality is ALWAYS better. Suppressing people is NEVER better.

    Forcing women into marriages they don't want and cannot get out of due to financial/social restrictions helps no one.

    I don't want a wife who stays with me because she is afraid to 'go it alone'. I want a wife who thinks I am the best partner that she can find for her...period.
    And the minute she no longer feels that way, I want her to go (I would rather live alone then with the wrong woman ANYDAY...I tried it both ways and I much prefer the former; but that's just me).
    Funny, I see the bold exactly the same...only for men. I, for the life of me, do not understand why men marry so easily and so often. There seems like less upside for them unless they are ready to have kids. This is just IMO tho. And I chalk it up to those familial and social pressures which are huge. So? Have some balls! Dont get married until you really want to. Dont be pressured into by women or your parents.

    I know...I've been there. As a Christian female with Christian parents and is a part of mainstream American society. Who had to hear for decades...why arent you two getting married? Why arent you having kids?
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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
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    As I noted, this depend on how you define "better." If Equality creates more opportunity but also creates dissatisfaction with social or married life, then only those who value opportunity (in whichever form it takes) are going to say that the deal is better. Those who get shortchanged in life satisfaction are going to say that matters are worse despite having the equality to pursue more opportunities.
    As I often do in threads on this subject, I'd just like to remind people that "equal" does not mean "the same."

    Jus' sayin'.

    Men and women are equal. It doesnt mean they are the same. And offering the same (equal) opportunities and choices to both will not make them the same.
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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    I, for the life of me, do not understand why men marry so easily and so often. There seems like less upside for them unless they are ready to have kids.
    Men have a higher suicide rate post-divorce than do women. A significant factor explaining this is that men, usually, have a far more constrained social-emotional network than women. This backtracks into marriage - a greater part of a man's emotional life is tied to his wife than the reverse. Female friendships have a different nature than male friendships, so getting married brings something to a man's life that he has a difficult time replicating via friendships.

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