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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?[W:771]

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    There don't need to be any reasons given at all. All one has to do is simply say "irreconcile differences" and sign the dotted line and the marriage is over. I have seen my mother go thru 3 divorces, I know all about "irreconcile differences"...
    That is legal talk, irreconcilable differences normally stands for a failed marriage but that does not mean that the actions of the men in that marriage did not cause the marriage to fail.

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    Men don't make the ultimate choice. Men generally try and fail.. For the VAST majority of men, their first choice of mate/partner rejects them. Men, naturally, want to find the most attractive partner they can attract, but many times, the person they are most attracted to is not attracted to them. And men do most if not almost all the initiating, so the selection of acceptable mates rests on the woman. More often then not, she gets her first choice, or really close to her first choice of mate. Where as men go thru a lot more rejection then women do. So women have the power in relationships. When men were the primary bread winners, and females needed men in order to provide them with security and a roof over their heads, the male/female dating "dance" was equlized by the fact that women had sexual power, and men had financial/security power. In today's dating world, men no longer hold this power due to the equal rights movement. Now there exists an inbalance as a result of there being no counterbalence to a womans sexual power. Women have not changed, they still expect men to do all the initiating and provide the majority of the income. It is know that women rarely marry men who make significantly less, where as men marry all the way up and down the socioeconomic scale. Women are still being choosey, still expecting the traditional dating methods and are still using their sexual power to choose the best mate for them.
    They have the power to accept a man's advances, that is not the same as the power in relationships. Men have the power to quit relationships whenever they want. There lack of balance in a wedding has nothing to do with men providing and women having the power to put out if they want too. There are a whole load of reasons why marriages have a lack of balance, sex is only a small part of that IMHO.

    Women do not think with their reproductive organs, that is the way men operate a lot of the time. A woman chooses a male because she is attracted to him/loves him, few women would choose a man on the basis of how good he is in the sack.

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    I don't think it started slower, I think it just started differently. In the US, the feminist/equal rights movement has quickly turned into a political/activist movement where as in most european/asian countries it has been more tame and less rhetorical. It has been agreed upon by all and the majority choose to enact laws, vs in the states it has been mostly women who have voted their own laws into place. Men have simply been trying to weather the storm sort to speak because any man that has ever tried standing up against the feminist movement to say "hey, thats not fair" has been steamrolled by feminists and their enablers (mostly testicleless men who put all women on a pedestal hoping it will get them somewhere) But that is changing quickly in places like Canada (where it is probably the worst) and also in places in North-eastern Europe.
    The whole problem in the US is that political power is very male dominated and political voting power is slowly transferred into real change. With the whole structure of US politics it is very difficult for women to get into politics and for change to take place. In most European countries it is easier for women to elect politicians that care and promote womens rights.

    And women in Europe were also activist up to a point to get equal rights. In the US it is more conservative politicians who want to keep the good old times in place and women have to use political activism to get equal rights through the courts because the political reality in the US means that getting equal rights through the political process is next to impossible (in a timely fashion).


    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    Women do most of the housework because they still demand a man that makes more money then they do. And to make more money then they do, a man must work more hours or take jobs further away from the home. As I said above, women have not changed their traditional wants in men. Where as men have changed drastically over the last 4-5 decades. And as I mentioned above, the law here in the US protects women a lot more then men when it comes to relationships, sex and divorce. Men have virtually no defense against a woman who wishes to end a relationship on false pretenses or wishes to destroy a mans life.
    Sorry, but even in households were men and women both work full time jobs, it is still the woman who has to do the bulk of household and child rearing jobs. Men still think they have the rights to "free time", "time with the guys" and "chill out time" even when the work in the house still has to be done.

    And when the marriage breaks up it is still the husband who has to provide money to the wife in order for her to care for his (and her) children. And that is mostly because in the US there is no financial safety net which women get part of the money from until the child is old enough to go to school full time (at which time the woman is to start working close to full time).

    In the Netherlands men have to pay considerably less most of the time than in the US. In the US this leads to unfair judgments towards the men. Maybe it is time for US law to order women to start working as soon as the children are old enough to be in school full time. If the women are not trained enough the US states might provide loans in order for her to start learning a trade so that she can stop draining her husbands pocketbook.

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    Men are able to negotiate with their wives prior to getting married.... a little... But in my expirience, and listening to my friends, the vast majority of them are afraid of their wives because they realize what their wives can do to them if they become even the least bit dissatisfied with the realationship. In today's dating environment, there is always a "john" hanging around in the background waiting for the relationship to break up so he can move in. Where as men, when they divorce, rarely have anyone to move on with. So it is generally much easier for a woman to break off a marriage then it is a for a man.
    The problem then is that these are not healthy and balanced relationships which were achieved through negotiations and voicing expectations about what they would like to achieve in the marriage. And after the marriage has taken place it is even more important to negotiate and communicate to keep the marriage healthy. And I am sorry? A "John" hanging around in the background? How about the "Susan's" hanging around to seduce men? That accusation can be reasoned for both sexes. The whole problem there is that most women start having affairs because they are not satisfied in their marriage and they are looking for love and closeness, men do not need such reasons, usually they will do it just for sex.

    And the reasons that it is much easier for women to break off the marriage is not the whole story, women usually see break ups as the last resort. Men don't want to divorce as long as they still have their sex, still have their laundry done and food on the table.

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    Dr. Phil is a sellout douche!
    That is your opinion, he usually has a lot of fair points to make.
    Former military man (and now babysitter of Donald Trump) John Kelly, is a big loud lying empty barrel!

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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?[W:771]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Don't punch the counter. That would be counterproductive!
    Nice one.

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    A couple of things.

    1. Repairing dry wall is a pain in the ass.
    2. Studs are every 16-24 inches apart. You will want to avoid those. The rule is that a loading bearing wall has them every 16 inches apart while a unload bearing wall has them every 24 inches apart.
    3. Hitting a stud will break your hand easily.
    4. If the house has been remodeled forget the above rule. Chances are studs are going to be random in areas that have been remodeled.

    Good luck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    That is usually what my tears are reserved for- a separation or a death. The last time I cried, and it was not consciously associated with loss, was the last time my husband and I had a disagreement, and it felt like I was losing him, and in fact, I was, but I didn't know it at the time. It wasn't too long before his death, and although he didn't consciously know he was going to die, I am now convinced that he did know at some level, as he repeatedly made mention of it in passing for several months prior to his passing. I think he was trying to emotionally separate, and I didn't understand at the time, and he could not explain it.

    When I am angry, I can't usually bring myself to cry, although I wish I could. I tend to gravitate more toward the "numb" end of the spectrum, until I can effectively deal with the emotions, without doing something really stupid.
    I'm sorry for your loss.

    While I don't cry, and really wouldn't want to, this isn't to say that I don't still get "choked up" a little bit every now and then. It just happens to be a feeling that will usually pass within a few seconds.

    It also isn't usually something that happens in response to stress. It's much more likely to occur while watching a sad (or beautiful) movie, or witnessing something meaningful.

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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?[W:771]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post

    I'm sorry for your loss.

    While I don't cry, and really wouldn't want to, this isn't to say that I don't still get "choked up" a little bit every now and then. It just happens to be a feeling that will usually pass within a few seconds.

    It also isn't usually something that happens in response to stress. It's much more likely to occur while watching a sad (or beautiful) movie, or witnessing something meaningful.
    Thanks hon. That was just an example among several in my lifetime, of my own response to emotional stressors, and it wasn't a play for sympathy- just an anecdotal example. Sadness and separation is what can make me cry, and even that takes some pretty extreme circumstances. Anger doesn't elicit that response in me, but tends to shut me down for awhile, to the point that even if I wanted to cry, I couldn't, and I have been at that point for months at a time. The only thing that has generally ever had the effect of angering me to the point of instant action, is to do or say something which I perceive as potentially harmful to someone that I love. My protective instinct regarding anyone that I personally care about, runs really strong.
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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?[W:771]

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Thanks hon. That was just an example among several in my lifetime, of my own response to emotional stressors, and it wasn't a play for sympathy- just an anecdotal example. Sadness and separation is what can make me cry, and even that takes some pretty extreme circumstances. Anger doesn't elicit that response in me, but tends to shut me down for awhile, to the point that even if I wanted to cry, I couldn't, and I have been at that point for months at a time. The only thing that has generally ever had the effect of angering me to the point of instant action, is to do or say something which I perceive as potentially harmful to someone that I love. My protective instinct regarding anyone that I personally care about, runs really strong.
    You should get a punching bag. That's another great way to relieve stress and anger/aggravation, whatever ails you. Good exercise at the same time!

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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?[W:771]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    You should get a punching bag. That's another great way to relieve stress and anger/aggravation, whatever ails you. Good exercise at the same time!
    I bought one a while back. I actually hit it so hard that I wound up breaking the damn thing.
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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?[W:771]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    I bought one a while back. I actually hit it so hard that I wound up breaking the damn thing.
    Hmm...

    For some reason I am reminded of that scene near the beginning of The Avengers where Captain America has a large supply of punching bags, many previously repaired,.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Hmm...

    For some reason I am reminded of that scene near the beginning of The Avengers where Captain America has a large supply of punching bags, many previously repaired,.
    It wasn't the heavy duty kind. I ain't that bad ass.

    It was more like this.

    Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?[W:771]-pdsp1-13569703p275w-jpg

    I just happened to wallop the thing so hard that the top broke off and went flying across the room one afternoon.

    I was pretty surprised at the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    It wasn't the heavy duty kind. I ain't that bad ass.

    It was more like this.

    Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?[W:771]-pdsp1-13569703p275w-jpg

    I just happened to wallop the thing so hard that the top broke off and went flying across the room one afternoon.

    I was pretty surprised at the time.
    I ought to get a punching bag.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    You should get a punching bag. That's another great way to relieve stress and anger/aggravation, whatever ails you. Good exercise at the same time!
    It is rare for me to get angry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    It is rare for me to get angry.
    even if someone is ... kicking babies???


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