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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?[W:771]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Well I do like a "manly" man. I don't want a guy who cries all the time (more than me) or who spends as much time in the mirror as I do. I don't like a guy who is an arrogant ass though, and I would consider a man who helps out with the household chores and the children to be very manly. A man who enjoys interacting and taking care of his kids is AWESOME as far as I'm concerned. I've always kind of had a thing for single dads and dads who do a lot with their children actually. They are kind of sexy IMO.
    I am not advocating men to become blubbering crying narcissistic make-up abusing fancy boy. Women also do not cry all the time but when it is healthy for them to cry they will do so and men should be able to do the same. It is also not wrong to well up when seeing incredible tragedy. If a father looses his child he should be able to cry and mourn and not "be tough" about it even though it is killing him inside.

    I still feel sad about some things in life (even though I might not cry about it). Things like the death of my 18 year old cat, the death of my grandfather and grandmother, Natalee Holloway, etc. Having feelings is not wrong IMHO, not even for a man. Burying their feelings because it is unmanly to have them is a problem IMHO.
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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?[W:771]

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    Well, we are going to have to disagree on that one. Men need to realize that the "old ways" were unacceptable and need to be altered.
    The old ways are fine. There is no reason men need to change and there is no reason for me to accept your feminization of men for any reason what so ever.

    And no, the real problem with this is that you insult women by calling them "feminazis", the sad thing is that most men are too insecure or too arrogant to have to deal with women who do not want to acknowledge the male superiority.
    I was insulting only those women that want to change the culture of men. All other women are unaffected by my comment.

    No, I am talking about equality and not about one gender being dominant to the other one.
    No one is supporting dominance. In fact, I made it clear that neither sex should be the puppet of the other.

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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?[W:771]

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    The old ways are fine. There is no reason men need to change and there is no reason for me to accept your feminization of men for any reason what so ever.

    I was insulting only those women that want to change the culture of men. All other women are unaffected by comment.

    No one is supporting dominance. In fact, I made it clear that neither sex should be the puppet of the other.
    So women who want their men to be more invested in their relationship and marriages are trying to change the culture of men? If there is a problem things have to be fixed. That is the whole reason why a lot of marriages fail, why there are so many therapists and why there is so much attention for subjects relating to relationships on Dr. Phil (for example).

    Men think there is nothing wrong with their culture but divorce statistics do not lie IMHO.
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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?[W:771]

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    The old ways are fine. There is no reason men need to change and there is no reason for me to accept your feminization of men for any reason what so ever.



    I was insulting only those women that want to change the culture of men. All other women are unaffected by my comment.



    No one is supporting dominance. In fact, I made it clear that neither sex should be the puppet of the other.
    I'd have to agree. Men should bring to the relationship their strengths which they are best suited and best able to bring, and not need to change themselves into someone else's 'image' of what a man should be. Within the population of men, there is enough variations to match the needs and desires to compliment their partners so as to make a stronger whole.

    I'll be the first to admit that this means different things to different cultures and to different people. It's not all the same everywhere.

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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?[W:771]

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    So women who want their men to be more invested in their relationship and marriages are trying to change the culture of men? If there is a problem things have to be fixed. That is the whole reason why a lot of marriages fail,
    why there are so many therapists and why there is so much attention for subjects relating to relationships on Dr. Phil (for example.
    Tell me, why is it that women get to order men do more around the house and in the relationship, but men can't say a word to women about such matters? Is it perhaps that feminazis want to control men and get them to do exactly what they want?

    Men think there is nothing wrong with their culture but divorce statistics do not lie IMHO.
    What makes you think that just has to do with men? The vast majority of men have no interest in controlling women, and in fact, that was true well before this whole feminization of men movement began.

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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?[W:771]

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Tell me, why is it that women get to order men do more around the house and in the relationship, but men can't say a word to women about such matters? Is it perhaps that feminazis want to control men and get them to do exactly what they want?
    Order? I am sorry but since when is a partnership ordering the other to do something. Negotiate, communicate and compromise are words that should be very important in a marriage. Sadly one gender has more issues with these kinds of things and women are not that gender.

    A wife usually asks her husband to bring out the trash ten times before she orders him. Men usually are the worlds greatest experts at procrastinating. Sure some men actually do something when they are asked to do it but most will have to be asked multiple times before doing it. You might be different than those men but a lot of men have problem in that department.

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    What makes you think that just has to do with men? The vast majority of men have no interest in controlling women, and in fact, that was true well before this whole feminization of men movement began.
    What makes me think it is to do with the culture of men? I am a child of divorced parents. I have seen other couples break up and often it is due to issues caused by males. The vast majority of men however are controlling women. They control them by the most basic things, going out with their friends watching monday night football at Hooters. That the dishes have to be done, the children have to be put to bed, the house has yet to be cleaned etc. etc. etc. etc. is less important that "hanging out with the bro's" because a man needs his guy time. A lot of women do not get to have a "girl time" because they cannot afford to not bring the children to bed, clean the house, cook the dinner etc.

    Men come home from work and need their time. When women come home from work most of them do not have the luxury to kick off their shoes and fall onto the couch and should "honey can you get me a beer".

    Now I am not saying that all men are like that but men are still the ones in the partnership who come up lacking and that can be very detrimental to a marriage. From personal experience it is the woman who bends over backward to keep the wedding, the house hold and the family going even though she is unhappy with the whole situation.

    I might be a bit prejudiced but I have seen the "old culture of men" personally. When the a-hole that my dad was, finally came home from being at the canteen of the local soccer club on Sunday night, refereeing instead of spending time with his children, he sat his large ass down on the sofa and switched the TV to his channel so that he could watch soccer on TV. That my sister and me would want to watch sesame street before going to bed was not his problem. His house, his TV and his shows. My sister, mom and me were sitting huddled in front of a small screen black and white TV set while he was sitting on his backside chugging down beers while watching soccer.

    I am not advocating re-educating manly character trades out of men, I am talking about re-educating them so that they are able to negotiate, communicate and compromise to make their relationships work. Now women might also need some re-education but the biggest problem lies with men IMHO. They think they are doing enough when their wives obviously do not see it that way and in the end this will most likely kill the marriage.
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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?[W:771]

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    Order? I am sorry but since when is a partnership ordering the other to do something. Negotiate, communicate and compromise are words that should be very important in a marriage. Sadly one gender has more issues with these kinds of things and women are not that gender.

    A wife usually asks her husband to bring out the trash ten times before she orders him. Men usually are the worlds greatest experts at procrastinating. Sure some men actually do something when they are asked to do it but most will have to be asked multiple times before doing it. You might be different than those men but a lot of men have problem in that department.
    I'm aware of how it works. She wants the man to do something and after making it abundantly clear to her it's not going to happen she decided to practice coercion.

    What makes me think it is to do with the culture of men? I am a child of divorced parents. I have seen other couples break up and often it is due to issues caused by males. The vast majority of men however are controlling women.
    This should be interesting for you to prove.

    They control them by the most basic things, going out with their friends watching monday night football at Hooters.
    No control present with that action.

    That the dishes have to be done, the children have to be put to bed, the house has yet to be cleaned etc. etc. etc. etc. is less important that "hanging out with the bro's" because a man needs his guy time.
    No control present.

    A lot of women do not get to have a "girl time" because they cannot afford to not bring the children to bed, clean the house, cook the dinner etc.
    Still no control present.

    Men come home from work and need their time. When women come home from work most of them do not have the luxury to kick off their shoes and fall onto the couch and should "honey can you get me a beer".
    Still no control present.

    Now I am not saying that all men are like that but men are still the ones in the partnership who come up lacking and that can be very detrimental to a marriage. From personal experience it is the woman who bends over backward to keep the wedding, the house hold and the family going even though she is unhappy with the whole situation.
    Still no control. Sorry, you didn't prove your premise.


    I am not advocating re-educating manly character trades out of men,
    You mean other than the crying nonsense?

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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?[W:771]

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Equality movements from where I sit are commonly lead by coercion, ignorance, and a false premise that people are the same, as if there no differences between things, and you can just treat everything and everyone exactly the same. This idiotic notion was in fact pushed by feminist themselves when they pushed for equal rights, but it is entirely baseless and ignorant of the world, of human nature, and ****, just life in general. The notion they put forward was that there was no differences between the sexes, but as should be obvious that is such an obviously baseless claim that everyone should have been mocking it, but no, they were women so of course all the men listened to what what was clearly nonsense that warranted nothing but ridicule in truth.

    Lets be clear though, equal rights has very little to do with the movement at this point, and in truth, beyond all the bull**** there was a reason it was called feminism, and it wasn't because it stood for equal rights. There is plenty that is going on today in law, and in culture that places women above men, and much of it, if not all of it, was pushed by the feminist movement. That however is not the point, and never was my point in this thread. My point is that ignoring human nature, as women have done with this blind pursuit towards a goal will only ever lead to disaster, and if you read the book in question, you would find that is exactly what has happened. Sure laws has played a part, but much of it deals with ignoring the reality of the world and the nature of the sexes, and as expected I'm sure, has led to disaster.
    Then you misunderstand what an equality movement is and what it strives to achieve

    Equality movements are about individuals being treated equally and not having their options limited by the unfounded judgments of others
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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?[W:771]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Women aren't being treated equally. They're being coddled and pitied.
    Explain.
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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?[W:771]

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    You misunderstand the what an equality movement is and what it strives to achieve then.

    Equality movements are about individuals being treated equally and not having their options limited by the premature judgments of others which are typically rooted in stereotypes.
    So what happens when these premature judgments are made?

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