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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?[W:771]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    I am done too... once I heard that cell phones can kill off reproductive sperm I started carrying the phone deep in my front pants pocket...
    I think there might be better methods.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Then we shall have a duel of pants, to determine who is smartyiest.
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    You can have the smarty pants... I just want my parents to love me.
    Lame duel dudes.

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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?[W:771]

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    The whole problem is that female emancipation started slower in the US IMHO, in the Netherlands most people live in smaller and bigger towns and the process of emancipation of women and the re-education of men worked a lot quicker.
    Finally someone said it. Men do not need re-educated, or reprogrammed and women are surely not the ones to do it. Just as women were not the puppets of men to be programed in any old way they felt like it, men are not the puppets of women to be programmed in any old way they desire. This is what the modern feminist movement is about and it's exactly why people consider it a supremacy movement filled with feminazis. They need to be stopped in their path. It's one thing to ask for rights, but it's another to meddle in mens culture and to warp them into what you want.

    It kind of annoys me that feminist still claim anything they are doing is about equal rights, when the fact is they are meddling with men, not asking government to protect their rights. They are past equal rights, and they have been past it for a while now. It's about winning now, and it's been all about winning now for a few decades.
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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?[W:771]

    Quote Originally Posted by tecoyah View Post
    None of these are either conservative or liberal realities.
    In some ways they are, and in others they are not.

    These factors might not be intrinsically partisan in and of themselves. However, the attitudes that play into, and sometimes exacerbate them, certainly do seem to come in rather distinctly "Left" and "Right Wing" flavors.

    By and large, the attitudes responsible for bringing our society to the licentious and self-centered state of affairs you see today are rather more Left than Right.

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    I agree with tecoyah's initial response to this. I think that your perspective is grounded in wanting things to stay the same. As a woman, I see the advances in equality for woman as a tremendous benefit not only to women but to society as a whole. I think the family has actually benefited from the changes to it's structure. You resist change and I welcome it so you see its destruction I see it's evolution. One mans trash.
    My "perspective" is grounded in the fact that the "new model" way of doing things simply cannot be shown to have resulted in generally favorable outcomes for anyone in our society, least of all women.

    What has the decline of marriage and ascendency of divorce resulted in more than anything else?

    Single motherhood.

    New York Times - For Women Under 30, Most Births Occur Outside Marriage

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    Is single motherhood preferable to traditional marriage for either women or children?

    Absolutely not.

    Unmarried mothers are far more likely to suffer from abuse than the married variety.

    Marriage: Still the Safest Place For Women and Children

    The institution that most strongly protects mothers and children from domestic abuse and violent crime is marriage. Analysis of ten years worth of findings from the National Crime Victimization Survey (NCVS), which the U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ) has conducted since 1973, demonstrates that mothers who are or ever have been married are far less likely to suffer from violent crime than are mothers who never marry.

    Specifically, data from the NCVS survey show that:

    ◾Married women with children suffer far less abuse than single mothers. In fact, the rate of spousal, boyfriend, or domestic partner abuse is twice as high among mothers who have never been married as it is among mothers who have ever married (including those separated or divorced).

    ◾Married women with children are far less likely to suffer from violent crime in general or at the hands of intimate acquaintances or strangers. Mothers who have never married--including those who are single and living either alone or with a boyfriend and those who are cohabiting with their child's father--are more than twice as likely to be victims of violent crime than are mothers who have ever married.

    They are also far more likely to live in poverty.

    The Working Poor Families Project

    The majority of female-headed families work, but they are disproportionately burdened by poverty, compared with two-parent families. The latest data from the Census Bureau show that female-headed working families make up 22 percent of all working families, but they make up 39 percent of low-income working families (see Table 1). In fact, there are now 4.1 million lowincome working families with children headed by working mothers.

    Oh! And how does the reality of all that new found promiscuous sexuality women are supposedly "free" to "enjoy" these days stack against the ideological spiel feminists and Leftists love to spin on it?

    Well... For one thing, most women don't even report enjoying it.

    New York Times - In Hookups, Inequality Still Reigns

    Similarly, a study of 24,000 students at 21 colleges over five years found that about 40 percent of women had an orgasm during their last hookup involving intercourse, while 80 percent of men did. The research was led by Paula England, a sociologist at New York University who studies the dynamics of casual sex.

    By contrast, roughly three quarters of women in the survey said they had an orgasm the last time they had sex in a committed relationship.

    They even tend to regret it later in life.

    Science Daily - Study examines potential evolutionary role of 'sexual regret' in human survival, reproduction

    •The top three most common regrets for women are: losing virginity to the wrong partner (24 percent), cheating on a present or past partner (23 percent) and moving too fast sexually (20 percent).

    •For men, the top three regrets are: being too shy to make a move on a prospective sexual partner (27 percent), not being more sexually adventurous when young (23 percent) and not being more sexually adventurous during their single days (19 percent).

    •More women (17 percent) than men (10 percent) included "having sex with a physically unattractive partner" as a top regret.

    •Although rates of actually engaging in casual sex were similar overall among participants (56 percent), women reported more frequent and more intense regrets about it.

    Evolutionary pressures probably explain the gender difference in sexual regret, says Haselton, who earned her Ph.D. in psychology at UT Austin.

    "For men throughout evolutionary history, every missed opportunity to have sex with a new partner is potentially a missed reproduce opportunity -- a costly loss from an evolutionary perspective." Haselton says. "But for women, reproduction required much more investment in each offspring, including nine months of pregnancy and potentially two additional years of breastfeeding. The consequences of casual sex were so much higher for women than for men, and this is likely to have shaped emotional reactions to sexual liaisons even today."

    For another, it also puts women at a disproportionate amount of risk for sexual assault...

    National Institute of Justice - Factors That Increase Sexual Assault Risk

    Numerous sexual partners. Women who reported having more sexual partners since entering college were more likely to have reported forced sexual assault.

    ...and STDs in comparison to men, or women who behave more conservatively.

    Are STDs Worse for Women?

    CDC Fact Sheet - 10 Ways STDs Impact
    Women Differently from Men


    I'm sorry, Opendebate, but I'm really not seeing how the social attitudes you support make anything "better for women." By and large, they only make things worse.

    Legitimately equal rights make things better for women. I'll freely admit that.

    However, the problem here is that what modern feminism and modern social attitudes tend to support goes far, far, deeper than that. They try to force equal outcomes, and encourage equal desire for the sexes to engage in the similar sorts of behaviors, regardless of whether it is a good idea, or even what they really want in the first place.

    The objective fact of the matter is that this simply doesn't result in anything positive for either individuals, or society in general.
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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?[W:771]

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Finally someone said it. Men do not need re-educated, or reprogrammed and women are surely not the ones to do it. Just as women were not the puppets of men to be programed in any old way they felt like it, men are not the puppets of women to be programmed in any old way they desire. This is what the modern feminist movement is about and it's exactly why people consider it a supremacy movement filled with feminazis. They need to be stopped in their path. It's one thing to ask for rights, but it's another to meddle in mens culture and to warp them into what you want.

    It kind of annoys me that feminist still claim anything they are doing is about equal rights, when the fact is they are meddling with men, not asking government to protect their rights. They are past equal rights, and they have been past it for a while now. It's about winning now, and it's been all about winning now for a few decades.
    I agree. The ultimate expression of this male 're-education' is taking away from boys what makes them little boys.

    Little boys climb trees, crawl around in the dirt and get really dirty, run and play outside, and pretend cowboys and soldiers, shoot each other with guns made from their fingers, catch frogs and bugs and nearly any other animal around just to have done it and to look at them for a bit. It's what little boys are made of; snakes and snails and puppy dog tails, as the old adage goes.

    Why is it that school administrators and teachers believe that they should be expelled from school for being little boys? Another manifestation of this male 're-programming'?

    No telling what the final impact of all this 're-education' is going to be. A crop of males that won't stand up to challenges or for themselves? Perhaps even a drop in reproductive drive? Who are all the fathers of the future going to be? Are we really sure this is what we really need at the sacrifice of boys being boys? Are effeminate males really that much better for women? For society? Really? 'Cause I'm not really believing that.

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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?[W:771]

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Finally someone said it. Men do not need re-educated, or reprogrammed and women are surely not the ones to do it. Just as women were not the puppets of men to be programed in any old way they felt like it, men are not the puppets of women to be programmed in any old way they desire. This is what the modern feminist movement is about and it's exactly why people consider it a supremacy movement filled with feminazis. They need to be stopped in their path. It's one thing to ask for rights, but it's another to meddle in mens culture and to warp them into what you want.

    It kind of annoys me that feminist still claim anything they are doing is about equal rights, when the fact is they are meddling with men, not asking government to protect their rights. They are past equal rights, and they have been past it for a while now. It's about winning now, and it's been all about winning now for a few decades.
    actually they do need to be re-educated because moronic old age views like "men should not cry, men must show no weakness, men are the lords of their manor, etc. etc. etc." need to be educated out of men because these points of views and behaviors are archaic and utterly stupid.

    They need to be re-educated into more successful men for the 21st century and that is how it should be in a truly equal relationship.
    Former military man (and now babysitter of Donald Trump) John Kelly, is a big loud lying empty barrel!

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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?[W:771]

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    actually they do need to be re-educated because moronic old age views like "men should not cry, men must show no weakness, men are the lords of their manor, etc. etc. etc." need to be educated out of men because these points of views and behaviors are archaic and utterly stupid.
    No, they don't. There is no need to re-educate anything out of men or mess with their culture, just there is no reason to re-educate anything out of women or mess with their culture. The very fact there is men like you that support the feminazis is a problem, but the bigger problem is that people actually think it is their place to **** with male culture.

    They need to be re-educated into more successful men for the 21st century and that is how it should be in a truly equal relationship.
    Your idea on what is equal is just men being puppets to women and their will.

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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?[W:771]

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    actually they do need to be re-educated because moronic old age views like "men should not cry, men must show no weakness, men are the lords of their manor, etc. etc. etc." need to be educated out of men because these points of views and behaviors are archaic and utterly stupid.

    They need to be re-educated into more successful men for the 21st century and that is how it should be in a truly equal relationship.
    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    No, they don't. There is no need to re-educate anything out of men or mess with their culture, just there is no reason to re-educate anything out of women or mess with their culture. The very fact there is men like you that support the feminazis is a problem, but the bigger problem is that people actually think it is their place to **** with male culture.



    Your idea on what is equal is just men being puppets to women and their will.
    Well I do like a "manly" man. I don't want a guy who cries all the time (more than me) or who spends as much time in the mirror as I do. I don't like a guy who is an arrogant ass though, and I would consider a man who helps out with the household chores and the children to be very manly. A man who enjoys interacting and taking care of his kids is AWESOME as far as I'm concerned. I've always kind of had a thing for single dads and dads who do a lot with their children actually. They are kind of sexy IMO.

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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?[W:771]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Well I do like a "manly" man. I don't want a guy who cries all the time (more than me) or who spends as much time in the mirror as I do. I don't like a guy who is an arrogant ass though, and I would consider a man who helps out with the household chores and the children to be very manly. A man who enjoys interacting and taking care of his kids is AWESOME as far as I'm concerned. I've always kind of had a thing for single dads and dads who do a lot with their children actually. They are kind of sexy IMO.
    The kind of man who cannot be bothered to take the time to properly care for and connect with his spouse, let alone his children, doesn't even deserve the title, IMO.

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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?[W:771]

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    No, they don't. There is no need to re-educate anything out of men or mess with their culture, just there is no reason to re-educate anything out of women or mess with their culture. The very fact there is men like you that support the feminazis is a problem, but the bigger problem is that people actually think it is their place to **** with male culture.
    Well, we are going to have to disagree on that one. Men need to realize that the "old ways" were unacceptable and need to be altered.

    And no, the real problem with this is that you insult women by calling them "feminazis", the sad thing is that most men are too insecure or too arrogant to have to deal with women who do not want to acknowledge the male superiority.


    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Your idea on what is equal is just men being puppets to women and their will.
    No, I am talking about equality and not about one gender being dominant to the other one.
    Former military man (and now babysitter of Donald Trump) John Kelly, is a big loud lying empty barrel!

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