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Thread: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?[W:771]

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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?[W:771]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    I think a lot of "nerds" are probably more masculine than you're giving them credit for.



    True, and I have already admitted as much.

    As I said before, even a "submissive" woman can basically have a man at her mercy in a lot of ways if she plays her cards right.



    Most people are living a more or less "traditional" life style, and always have. That's kind of the point.

    Where they are not, women are not "taking control," by and large. They are simply splitting up and going it alone.

    While there certainly are some very dominant women out there married to submissive men, they are pretty far from being the norm.
    Huh? No, in most relationships nowadays both the man and woman work and they split household chores. No one is "dominant." Why does someone HAVE to be dominant in the relationship? What's up with that crap?

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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?[W:771]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Huh? No, in most relationships nowadays both the man and woman work and they split household chores.
    In 70% of housholds where both parents are present, men are still the primary breadwinners. Frankly, this number is only even that high in the first place due to so many men being laid off during the Great Recession.

    Most of the time when a woman is the "dominant" provider, she is a single mother.

    No one is "dominant." Why does someone HAVE to be dominant in the relationship? What's up with that crap?
    Do we really have to go back to square one with this, Chris? We're already established all of these things.

    Substitute the word "more assertive" for "dominant" if you don't like the implications of the latter.

    Again, it all depends on the parts of relationship you're looking at. Men tend to be more "dominant" in some areas, women in others.

    This isn't true of all relationships, but it is true of most.
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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?[W:771]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    The link between "dominant" behaviors and personality types and testosterone is pretty well studied.

    In men, it is obvious.

    Testosterone, Antisocial Behavior, and Social Dominance in Boys: Pubertal Development and Biosocial Interaction

    However, it can be observed in women as well.

    Studies have actually shown that women with "dominant" personalities are more likely to have sons, specifically because they have so much more testosterone running through their systems than the average woman.

    Sex determination and the maternal dominance hypothesis

    Simply put: More testosterone = more dominant personalities.

    Guess what men have more of by nature?

    As far as "providing" goes, men have served that role for the vast majority of our species' history. Even today, they are still the primary bread winners in 70% of all households where two parents are actually present.
    Those are a bit dated.

    There doesn't seem to be a consensus on the effects of testosterone.
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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Meh, I disagree. IMO, if I like a person, I can work around those things I think. I don't need a MENSA candidate as long as it's a person I have things in common with, can laugh with and can have a reasonable conversation with.
    Well, everyone prioritizes things differently and can accept differences in some areas while finding other areas of similarities. I believe in the idea of Hamilton's Rule and people discriminate in their choice of mates.
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    Over the past 60 years or so we have seen an increase in the acceptability of interracial marriages and interfaith marriages but we seem to have increasing hostility to mixing political opinions or income earning potential marriages. One study found that much of the increase in income inequality comes from the increase in people marrying others with similar income potential.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/19/ma...d&emc=rss&_r=0

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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?[W:771]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    In 70% of housholds where both parents are present, men are still the primary breadwinners. Frankly, this number is only even that high in the first place due to so many men being laid off during the Great Recession.
    I don't see how this is even relevant. Even if it's true, that doesn't make the man dominant either, so . . . irrelevant.

    Most of the time when a woman is the "dominant" provider, she is a single mother.
    Who said anything about a "dominant" provider? Why are you changing things up now? The person who earns more money is most certainly not always the dominant personality in the relationship.


    Do we really have to go back to square one with this, Chris? We're already established all of these things.

    Substitute the word "more assertive" for "dominant" if you don't like the implications of the latter.
    You have established nothing with me, so I don't know what you mean. I've been arguing against what you have been saying the whole time.

    Again, it all depends on the parts of relationship you're looking at. Men tend to be more "dominant" in some areas, women in others.

    This isn't true of all relationships, but it is true of most.
    I don't think it's true. I think MOST relationships are a partnership.

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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric7216 View Post
    Well, everyone prioritizes things differently and can accept differences in some areas while finding other areas of similarities. I believe in the idea of Hamilton's Rule and people discriminate in their choice of mates.
    Kin selection - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Over the past 60 years or so we have seen an increase in the acceptability of interracial marriages and interfaith marriages but we seem to have increasing hostility to mixing political opinions or income earning potential marriages. One study found that much of the increase in income inequality comes from the increase in people marrying others with similar income potential.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/19/ma...d&emc=rss&_r=0
    That stuff doesn't matter to me if I liked a person, unless he was a complete loser or something. It wouldn't bother me who made more money in the relationship. Every little bit helps! Of course if the SO made a ton of money, that wouldn't be a problem either though. I could work with that.

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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?[W:771]

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    I would love to marry an American woman, especially my favorite lady with whom I have an excellent internet relationship with for the past 8 years or so.

    Men in the US are not being disrespected by American women. American women are tired of being second to men at every turn. Family law is there for the children and not for the dads. Usually it is the mother anyway who is taking care of the children even if both work.

    Men have been ruling the roost for centuries and now only women are standing up for themselves and being counted and seen as equals to men. Not by some men but in general women have finally taken their rightful place in society. And the men who are being told that they are worthless and stupid often are actually stupid and worthless. Women will no longer be reduced to being barefoot and pregnant slaves for their men. They work almost as much outside of the house and do the house work and children duties on top of their out of the house work. Disrespecting men has not become the standard practice, what has become the standard practice is that women are equal to men and no longer will allow men to boss them around while they lie on the couch and bark out orders.

    Men need to wise up and realize that they age of the rule of men is over, the age of equal men and women is here and now. Men have been stuck in their attitudes, that is why the weak bossy men of the past feel disrespected, treated like children and who feel that they are being targeted by the law, attitudes of women and the reality of 2014. And they are dropping out because of arrested development, men have a childish attitude to many things and in 2014 they have to become partners in a relationship and some men are just stuck in the past.
    See my previous posts about wannabe alpha males who get off on pouring scorn on other men.

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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?[W:771]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    The link between "dominant" behaviors and personality types and testosterone is pretty well studied.

    In men, it is obvious.

    Testosterone, Antisocial Behavior, and Social Dominance in Boys: Pubertal Development and Biosocial Interaction

    However, it can be observed in women as well.

    Studies have actually shown that women with "dominant" personalities are more likely to have sons, specifically because they have so much more testosterone running through their systems than the average woman.

    Sex determination and the maternal dominance hypothesis

    Simply put: More testosterone = more dominant personalities.

    Guess what men have more of by nature?

    As far as "providing" goes, men have served that role for the vast majority of our species' history. Even today, they are still the primary bread winners in 70% of all households where two parents are actually present.
    Interesting stuff, but why stop there? What about the effects of estrogen in terms of making people over emotional, irrational, and generally unfit for stressful work?

    That would, of course, be "scientific" work that came out of the 1930's, quite dated and no longer considered valid, but it served to keep women down by explaining their very human nature as a kind of disease, just as you are doing with men now.

    Any attempt to explain women's sometimes irrational behavior in terms of their hormones is regarded as misogyny. Why is this permissible with men?

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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?[W:771]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Huh? No, in most relationships nowadays both the man and woman work and they split household chores. No one is "dominant." Why does someone HAVE to be dominant in the relationship? What's up with that crap?
    "Splitting household chores" involves doing whatever the woman wants when she wants it and how she wants it. I think this is what goes on with most such "sharing". This whole idea of splitting chores ought to be thrown out; it doesn't work, it's just causing more friction. And surveys have shown that women end up doing most of the housework and childcare in part because "they are the ones who care enough to do it 'right'." It was a dumb idea from the get go. Women were never going to give up those roles and men were never going to be adequate substitutes in women's eyes especially where young children are concerned. Always the explanation for this state of affairs is couched in terms of the men's inadequacies, never in terms of, say, lack of flexibility on the part of women or lack of respect for the men.

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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?[W:771]

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    "Splitting household chores" involves doing whatever the woman wants when she wants it and how she wants it. I think this is what goes on with most such "sharing". This whole idea of splitting chores ought to be thrown out; it doesn't work, it's just causing more friction. And surveys have shown that women end up doing most of the housework and childcare in part because "they are the ones who care enough to do it 'right'." It was a dumb idea from the get go. Women were never going to give up those roles and men were never going to be adequate substitutes in women's eyes especially where young children are concerned. Always the explanation for this state of affairs is couched in terms of the men's inadequacies, never in terms of, say, lack of flexibility on the part of women or lack of respect for the men.
    Maybe that's your personal experience, but I'm sure that it's not the case with all couples. I'm sure a lot of couples discuss and agree upon who does what chores related to the household and kids. Most people have to do this because they have full-time jobs and are busy with extracurricular activities for the children, etc. There is no TIME to worry about who is the "dominant" one in the relationship. That is stupid. Unless you feel like you are or have been abused, then if you don't like your relationship you can leave and find one better suited to you instead of trying to assert "dominance" over another human being so that they become what you want.

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