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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by NoC_T View Post
    Where do I make any such reference? You're aware that Paganism wasn't regionally exclusive, right? And that the Church had designs on foreign influence? I mean, is Europe in the ME? Is the Vatican located in Israel?

    Stop deflecting, Eco. Where's the proof that Paul was protecting anything?
    In other words, you have no basis whatsoever to claim that the women of the early church were behaving differently than every other woman of the time. That is, shutting the **** up.

    Thus, we have evidence that there must have been another purpose to Paul's advice.

    That he was writing to a church in the most persecuted region of the time gives indication of his purpose - the survival of the church.

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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Let me know when that happens.
    I've heard/seen various persons argue that it already has. Not sure myself. And I sure as hell don't recall the arguments in any detail.
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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    I've heard/seen various persons argue that it already has. Not sure myself. And I sure as hell don't recall the arguments in any detail.
    Unless you can give me an example, I think your concern is unfounded.

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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Unless you can give me an example, I think your concern is unfounded.
    I consider a concern founded if it's even vaguely possible, however unlikely. Granted not very well founded.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    I consider a concern founded if it's even vaguely possible, however unlikely. Granted not very well founded.
    As I cannot prove a negative, it is upon the claim to garner credibility. Thus far, there is none - not even one example.

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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    As I cannot prove a negative, it is upon the claim to garner credibility. Thus far, there is none - not even one example.
    I agree.
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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    I consider a concern founded if it's even vaguely possible, however unlikely. Granted not very well founded.
    Your concern is very well founded, there's lots of data to back it up. Start a new thread on the topic and I'll engage. Following ecofarms's "logic" will lead you into a hall of mirrors.

    You - I've heard some neighbors talking about the house on fire, two blocks over.
    Ecofarm - You have seen the house on fire? If you haven't, then your concern is unfounded.

    This leads to concerns only being valid if you have personal knowledge of them.

    I've heard that species X is nearing extinction. I'm worried.
    Have you done a species census yourself? If not, then your concern is unfounded.

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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    In other words, you have no basis whatsoever to claim that the women of the early church were behaving differently than every other woman of the time. That is, shutting the **** up.
    In other words, you're unaware both that Christianity spread beyond Israel and that Paganism was a threat to theocratic hegemony. Problem is, these things are facts.

    Thus, we have evidence that there must have been another purpose to Paul's advice.

    That he was writing to a church in the most persecuted region of the time gives indication of his purpose - the survival of the church.
    So we're back to speculation. Other than the age-old misogyny attributed to him, we're left with your interpretation of Paul as protector of the Church. This conclusion doesn't fit where we've already refuted your earlier premises. Still waiting for the proof that has somehow eluded two millennia of religious scholars. But hey, maybe you know something they don't, eh?

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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by NoC_T View Post
    So we're back to speculation.
    We're back to logic and reason. And the only counter you've presented is a noble savage myth for which you cannot provide even a single citation.

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    Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    We're back to logic and reason. And the only counter you've presented is a noble savage myth for which you cannot provide even a single citation.
    I've already explained precisely why you're employing a term you don't understand.

    There's all the proof in the world for the gynocentric component of Paganism, as illustrated by the plethora of feminine deities, figures and principles it encapsulates. That you'll insist upon restricting treatment of such to a very limited region that doesn't cover the entirety of the Church's operation, in defence of your position is absurd. Especially where phenomena like the witch burnings and the Inquisition and such never held sway.

    The Pauline epistles have yet to be attributed any conclusive motive, whatever your 'guess'. Hence why such charges of misogyny survive to this day.

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