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    Re: Is Obama afraid of Putin?

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Putin plays chess while Obama plays checkers.

    Garry Kasparov: I'd Still Be a Soviet Citizen if Obama Had Been President Instead of Reagan

    >"On February 22nd, former world chess champion and political activist Garry Kasparov intimated that if Barack Obama had been president instead of Ronald Reagan, the Soviet Union would still exist..."<

    Garry Kasparov: I'd Still Be a Soviet Citizen if Obama Had Been President Instead of Reagan
    Reagan did what Reagan did during his time, and he was a good President. The same policies today would not work because it's not 1983 anymore. Reagan wanted peace most of all, but I wonder if we wouldn't all be dead if not for Gorbachev. You had two men who wanted peace and could deal with each other.

    That said, I think if you listened to other things Kasparov said that weren't touted by Breitbart, you'd be dismayed because he'd firmly disagree that Putin is better than Obama. He's a big Putin hater.


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    Re: Is Obama afraid of Putin?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    There was never a risk of war between the US and Russia.

    Also John Kerry is not a "self proclaimed" war hero, he's got well documented history by the US Navy of his actions during Vietnam including 3 Purple Hearts a Bronze Star and Silver Star.

    Here's his Silver Star citation
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    Here's a response to John's Silver Star.

    >" Dear John,

    As usual, you have it wrong. You don't have a beef with President George Bush about your war record. He's been exceedingly generous about your military service. Your complaint is with the 2.5 million of us who served honorably in a war that ended 29 years ago and which you, not the president, made the centerpiece of this campaign.

    I talk to a lot of vets, John, and this really isn't about your medals or how you got them. Like you, I have a Silver Star and a Bronze Star. I only have two Purple Hearts, though. I turned down the others so that I could stay with the Marines in my rifle platoon. But I think you might agree with me, though I've never heard you say it, that the officers always got more medals than they earned and the youngsters we led never got as many medals as they deserved.

    This really isn't about how early you came home from that war, either, John. There have always been guys in every war who want to go home. There are also lots of guys, like those in my rifle platoon in Vietnam, who did a full 13 months in the field. And there are, thankfully, lots of young Americans today in Iraq and Afghanistan who volunteered to return to war because, as one of them told me in Ramadi a few weeks ago, "the job isn't finished."

    Nor is this about whether you were in Cambodia on Christmas Eve, 1968. Heck John, people get lost going on vacation. If you got lost, just say so. Your campaign has admitted that you now know that you really weren't in Cambodia that night and that Richard Nixon wasn't really president when you thought he was. Now would be a good time to explain to us how you could have all that bogus stuff "seared" into your memory -- especially since you want to have your finger on our nation's nuclear trigger.

    But that's not really the problem, either. The trouble you're having, John, isn't about your medals or coming home early or getting lost -- or even Richard Nixon. The issue is what you did to us when you came home, John.

    When you got home, you co-founded Vietnam Veterans Against the War and wrote "The New Soldier," which denounced those of us who served -- and were still serving -- on the battlefields of a thankless war. Worst of all, John, you then accused me -- and all of us who served in Vietnam -- of committing terrible crimes and atrocities.

    On April 22, 1971, under oath, you told the Senate Foreign Relations Committee that you had knowledge that American troops "had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the country side of South Vietnam." And you admitted on television that "yes, yes, I committed the same kind of atrocities as thousands of other soldiers have committed."

    And for good measure you stated, "(America is) more guilty than any other body, of violations of (the) Geneva Conventions ... the torture of prisoners, the killing of prisoners."

    Your "antiwar" statements and activities were painful for those of us carrying the scars of Vietnam and trying to move on with our lives. And for those who were still there, it was even more hurtful. But those who suffered the most from what you said and did were the hundreds of American prisoners of war being held by Hanoi. Here's what some of them endured because of you, John:

    Capt. James Warner had already spent four years in Vietnamese custody when he was handed a copy of your testimony by his captors. Warner says that for his captors, your statements "were proof I deserved to be punished." He wasn't released until March 14, 1973.

    Maj. Kenneth Cordier, an Air Force pilot who was in Vietnamese custody for 2,284 days, says his captors "repeated incessantly" your one-liner about being "the last man to die" for a lost cause. Cordier was released March 4, 1973.

    Navy Lt. Paul Galanti says your accusations "were as demoralizing as solitary (confinement) ... and a prime reason the war dragged on." He remained in North Vietnamese hands until February 12, 1973.

    John, did you think they would forget? When Tim Russert asked about your claim that you and others in Vietnam committed "atrocities," instead of standing by your sworn testimony, you confessed that your words "were a bit over the top." Does that mean you lied under oath? Or does it mean you are a war criminal? You can't have this one both ways, John. Either way, you're not fit to be a prison guard at Abu Ghraib, much less commander in chief.

    One last thing, John. In 1988, Jane Fonda said: "I would like to say something ... to men who were in Vietnam, who I hurt, or whose pain I caused to deepen because of things that I said or did. I was trying to help end the killing and the war, but there were times when I was thoughtless and careless about it and I'm ... very sorry that I hurt them. And I want to apologize to them and their families."

    Even Jane Fonda apologized. Will you, John? "<

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    Re: Is Obama afraid of Putin?

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Reagan did what Reagan did during his time, and he was a good President. The same policies today would not work because it's not 1983 anymore. Reagan wanted peace most of all, but I wonder if we wouldn't all be dead if not for Gorbachev. You had two men who wanted peace and could deal with each other.

    That said, I think if you listened to other things Kasparov said that weren't touted by Breitbart, you'd be dismayed because he'd firmly disagree that Putin is better than Obama. He's a big Putin hater.


    I don't like Putin either, I see a KGB street thug.

    But even bullies are known to be able to play chess.

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    Re: Is Obama afraid of Putin?

    Is Obama afraid of Putin? Who the hell cares? I think your concerns should be over the number of people who are losing confidence/respect in Obama in this country. There are a growing number of folks who seem to have little confidence in Obama when it comes to foreign affairs. If you want to talk polls the last Gallup suggests that to be the case.

    For the first time, a majority of Americans think President Barack Obama is not respected among world leaders, according to a new poll that found opinion has plunged "dramatically" in the past year.
    Poll: U.S. thinks Obama not respected abroad - Lucy McCalmont - POLITICO.com

    Now this Politico piece likes to point out Obama hasn't reached the low the GW Bush did in 2007 but then again Obama hasn't had a nightly drum beat of disdain from the MSM as Bush received altering/changing public opinion. Even with the MSM cheerleaders Obama has been sinking quick. One can only hope that the masses have come to realize what Hopey and Changey really meant like some of us have from the beginning.


    Fifty-three percent now say Obama is not respected on the international stage, up from 43 percent a year ago, the Gallup poll on Monday shows. And the number who say they believe the president is respected has dropped to 41 percent from 51 percent over the same time, the poll found.

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    Re: Is Obama afraid of Putin?

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Is Obama afraid of Putin? Who the hell cares? I think your concerns should be over the number of people who are losing confidence/respect in Obama in this country. There are a growing number of folks who seem to have little confidence in Obama when it comes to foreign affairs. If you want to talk polls the last Gallup suggests that to be the case.



    Poll: U.S. thinks Obama not respected abroad - Lucy McCalmont - POLITICO.com

    Now this Politico piece likes to point out Obama hasn't reached the low the GW Bush did in 2007 but then again Obama hasn't had a nightly drum beat of disdain from the MSM as Bush received altering/changing public opinion. Even with the MSM cheerleaders Obama has been sinking quick. One can only hope that the masses have come to realize what Hopey and Changey really meant like some of us have from the beginning.


    Fifty-three percent now say Obama is not respected on the international stage, up from 43 percent a year ago, the Gallup poll on Monday shows. And the number who say they believe the president is respected has dropped to 41 percent from 51 percent over the same time, the poll found.
    I don't know what a poll of Americans about what they think non-Americans think of Obama really tells us.
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    Re: Is Obama afraid of Putin?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    One only has to look at a current map to know that N Vietnam was a threat.

    Saddam in 2002? Not so much. We already had him pinned.
    How did that map threat work out? Was it worth over 58,000 American, and over 1,000,000 Vietnamese lives?

    How did that map threat progress after the US pulled out in 1975?

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    Re: Is Obama afraid of Putin?

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    You're correct that Kerry is an American hero in the Socialist Republic of Vietnam, his photograph is proudly displayed on a wall next to Jane (Hanoi) Fonda and others who gave aid and comfort to North Vietnam during the war.
    Yeah, because anybody actually using their right to free speech to criticize the government or it's actions should be shot!
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    Re: Is Obama afraid of Putin?

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    How did that map threat work out? Was it worth over 58,000 American, and over 1,000,000 Vietnamese lives?

    How did that map threat progress after the US pulled out in 1975?
    At the time? Yes, it was. Vietnam wasn't a war of American Imperialism. South Vietnam had been it's own UN recognized country for over a decade, a result of the break-up of European empires, the French in this case, who had been there for decades prior.

    Iraq II on the other hand was a trumped up war where we "invaded" a foreign country that was already pinned down.


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    Don't care. It's been almost 40 years, now. Truth be told, though, I'd rather see them made in Vietnam than China.
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    Re: Is Obama afraid of Putin?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Yeah, because anybody actually using their right to free speech to criticize the government or it's actions should be shot!
    Kerry took it further, he criticized the American soldier while they were still on the battlefield accusing 2.5 million Americans of atrocities that 99.99% never committed.

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    Re: Is Obama afraid of Putin?

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Kerry took it further, he criticized the American soldier while they were still on the battlefield accusing 2.5 million Americans of atrocities that 99.99% never committed.
    That wasn't exactly what happened but, yes, he opposed the war and "ratted out" the military. However, he was no longer in the service and had every right to publicly talk about his experiences. That's called freedom of speech. It's easy to support freedoms during the easy times but the true test of any country (just like people) is how it reacts in the tough spots.

    We saw this same crap recently in relation to Iraq II. People that spoke out against the war were called "anti-American". Sorry, that kind of behavior is about as American as you can get - assuming we really are the Land of the Free as we claim.


    So, again, I say it was his right - and the right of the others who also protested the war - to speak their mind as they saw fit.
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