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    Re: Is Obama afraid of Putin?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    That wasn't exactly what happened but, yes, he opposed the war and "ratted out" the military. However, he was no longer in the service and had every right to publicly talk about his experiences. That's called freedom of speech. It's easy to support freedoms during the easy times but the true test of any country (just like people) is how it reacts in the tough spots.

    We saw this same crap recently in relation to Iraq II. People that spoke out against the war were called "anti-American". Sorry, that kind of behavior is about as American as you can get - assuming we really are the Land of the Free as we claim.


    So, again, I say it was his right - and the right of the others who also protested the war - to speak their mind as they saw fit.
    Not correct, Kerry was still a commissioned officer in the Navy Reserves.

    This could be why Kerry refused to release all of his SRB to the public.

    Did the Navy come down on Kerry after giving aid and comfort to the enemy ?

    Could explain why Sec. of the Navy, John Lehman signature is on Kerry's Honorable Discharge Certificate. Lehman was Sec. of the Navy during the Reagan administration years after Kerry's reserve obligations would have ended.

    Did Kerry receive an administrative discharge for violating military regulations for example meeting in person with the enemy during the Paris Peace Talks ?

    A DD-214 doesn't show what actions or discharge one received in the reserves back then. The DD-214 is only involved with active duty status.

    There was an amnesty back in the 70's where anyone with less than an HD could get that discharge up graded to the next higher discharge.

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    Re: Is Obama afraid of Putin?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    They might have disliked him but unlike Obama they respected him.
    What the **** are you talking about? Do you hear yourself?

    Putin invaded Georgia and bombed Chechnya during Bush's reign.

    France and Germany gave Bush the finger when he asked for their help in Iraq.

    Britain pretty much bossed Bush around and convinced him to give British firms an unequally large portion of the contracts in Iraq.

    I seriously cannot believe what I'm hearing.

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    Re: Is Obama afraid of Putin?

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Not correct, Kerry was still a commissioned officer in the Navy Reserves.

    This could be why Kerry refused to release all of his SRB to the public.

    Did the Navy come down on Kerry after giving aid and comfort to the enemy ?

    Could explain why Sec. of the Navy, John Lehman signature is on Kerry's Honorable Discharge Certificate. Lehman was Sec. of the Navy during the Reagan administration years after Kerry's reserve obligations would have ended.

    Did Kerry receive an administrative discharge for violating military regulations for example meeting in person with the enemy during the Paris Peace Talks ?

    A DD-214 doesn't show what actions or discharge one received in the reserves back then. The DD-214 is only involved with active duty status.

    There was an amnesty back in the 70's where anyone with less than an HD could get that discharge up graded to the next higher discharge.
    "giving aid and comfort to the enemy"? Quit being so dramatic.

    As for the rest I was unaware that Kerry had stayed in the reserves - but weren't you guys whining just awhile back about some guy that was in the news for posting his opinions of the president on a website - while on active duty and advertising his military status? Pretty sure you were. Yet you argued that was NOT insubordination. Interesting how you guys change your tune when it suits.
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    Re: Is Obama afraid of Putin?

    I'm "afraid of" Obama, never know when he'll pull another stupid move like Libya, or the escalation of AfPak.
    He got lucky on Syria, whenthe Russian drove a truck thru Kerry's statements about how Syria can avoid
    "degrading" by removing all chem weapons. Obama had no Congressional support though, so he prolly couldn't have done much but shoot off his mouth.

    Looks like he might finally be coming to his senses - although the CIA was sending small arms across the Jordanian border to Syria, that was awhile ago.

    I do kina worry he's going a bit to far cutting the navy down to about 200 ships; though I'm OK with the troop reductions.

    Putin is trying to expand Russian influence and has done a pretty good job despite his limited budget, and access to a blue water navy.
    China is the next player - they are building up both there navy and land forces - so we need to rely on technical superiority.

    Might all work out, if we just stay out of foreign wars that are none of our doing/business

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    Re: Is Obama afraid of Putin?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    "giving aid and comfort to the enemy"? Quit being so dramatic.

    As for the rest I was unaware that Kerry had stayed in the reserves - but weren't you guys whining just awhile back about some guy that was in the news for posting his opinions of the president on a website - while on active duty and advertising his military status? Pretty sure you were. Yet you argued that was NOT insubordination. Interesting how you guys change your tune when it suits.
    Insubordination ?

    Not aware of who you're referring to.

    Are you referring to a Marine NCO who told the truth about his CnC and Obama got his feelings hurt and ordered that the Marine be court Martial ?

    Not comparable to Lt.Cmdr. Kerry USNR while under oath lying to Congress.

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    Re: Is Obama afraid of Putin?

    Let me say this. if Obama had to do a fist fight with Putin, or any kind of fight, mano-a-mano, then yes, he'd be scared ****less.

    But he isn't. Why should he be afraid of another president? this is the kind of infantile dialogue that is supposed to dismiss the "other team" based on faulty notions that don't stand up if you give it a bit of thought.

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    Re: Is Obama afraid of Putin?

    I think that our "very conservative" NP confuses fear and respect....or does not know their meanings..

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    Re: Is Obama afraid of Putin?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    They might have disliked him but unlike Obama they respected him.
    Sorry to disappoint you, but he was actually considered to be a 'very dangerous' laughing stock. You also confuse fear with respect, there was an abundance of 'fear' for what crazy ass war he would start next!

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    Re: Is Obama afraid of Putin?

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Insubordination ?

    Not aware of who you're referring to.

    Are you referring to a Marine NCO who told the truth about his CnC and Obama got his feelings hurt and ordered that the Marine be court Martial ?

    Not comparable to Lt.Cmdr. Kerry USNR while under oath lying to Congress.
    Of course it's not the same thing. The NCO is doing something you approve of so it's OK.

    You have no proof of that. If there was proof Congress would have acted. It's not like they've never called someone on the carpet for perjury.
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    Re: Is Obama afraid of Putin?

    Of course, the idea that Obama himself ordered some Marine court martialed for speaking ill of him is yet another in a long, long list of lies from APACHE.
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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