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Thread: Should I turn in my brother for food stamp fraud?

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    Re: Should I turn in my brother for food stamp fraud?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I don't think it's hypocritical because it's only natural that you would care more about your family than some stranger and be more hesitant to turn in a family member, if you have any sense of family loyalty of course.
    If you logically believe that people ought to be turned in for food stamp fraud, then it applies just as much to people who are your family. My sense of loyalty makes it difficult to follow through on the outcome of what is logical, but doesn't change the outcome.

    One of my standards as to whether I want any laws is whether I would want them to apply to my family. If I can't say they should apply to my family, then I can't say they should apply to anyone. I can hardly back out once the occasion arises to have them so applied.
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    Re: Should I turn in my brother for food stamp fraud?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Oh, that makes sense, so it would be hard to even get the store busted unless there was some other kind of evidence I guess.
    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    If they have the time and resources for that? Sure, why not.

    EBT fraud stings are common practice here in Gainesville, and I believe Florida. The department is happy to check on tips about EBT fraud. They do the same regarding tips about sales to underage customers. It costs very little and produces undeniable results almost instantaneously.

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    Re: Should I turn in my brother for food stamp fraud?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    If you logically believe that people ought to be turned in for food stamp fraud, then it applies just as much to people who are your family. My sense of loyalty makes it difficult to follow through on the outcome of what is logical, but doesn't change the outcome.

    One of my standards as to whether I want any laws is whether I would want them to apply to my family. If I can't say they should apply to my family, then I can't say they should apply to anyone. I can hardly back out once the occasion arises to have them so applied.
    I can see your point, but a person is still going to naturally have more reservations about turning in a family member than a stranger. I don't know if I could call a person a "hypocrite" for choosing to NOT do it because it's not an easy thing to do and can cause severe turmoil in your family too.

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    Re: Should I turn in my brother for food stamp fraud?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Without the authorities being aware of who both parties are? I doubt that.
    How exactly do they bust stores that sell booze to minors?


    Again, it happens all the time.
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    Re: Should I turn in my brother for food stamp fraud?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    EBT fraud stings are common practice here in Gainesville, and I believe Florida. The department is happy to check on tips about EBT fraud. They do the same regarding tips about sales to underage customers. It costs very little and produces undeniable results almost instantaneously.
    Huh. I always figure that cops are too busy for this kind of stuff, but alrighty then.

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    Re: Should I turn in my brother for food stamp fraud?

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    So let's take stock of all of this... your online name is SgtRock. You present an online persona of assertion, even aggressive chin-out stance. But when it comes time to USE that in the real world scenario you ask about doing the limp willie snitch routine?

    My brother lived in my grandmother's house after she went to 'the Home'. He never paid the bills, did a lot of drinking and a few drugs. Power turned off, my wife and I lost the half beef in the freezer. I calmly asked him about it, noticed the smoked stained walls and crappy remelt candles and then just beat his ass. Not a real beat down, he is my brother, but until he couldn't stand. I then drug him outside, told him he needed to find a new place to live.

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    Re: Should I turn in my brother for food stamp fraud?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I've heard several instances of them doing that around here and busting small local stores.
    Generally only small stores do it. Large stores and chains tend to avoid huge fines and the imprisonment of their employees.

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    Re: Should I turn in my brother for food stamp fraud?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    If they are religious people, refer them to a local pastor for counseling. At least he should be getting those kids into counseling. They lost their mom, and that's not easy for young boys to deal with all by themselves with an obviously inattentive father who is wallowing in his own misery from what it sounds like.
    I appreciate your compassion.

    But I am compelled to ask. Here we have a person scamming the system to buy beer and cigarettes and you suggest that "if they are religious......" How did you get from scamming cigarettes and beer to them being religious and seeking pastoral or psychological counceling?

    Don't get me wrong. That idea is as good as any. I am just wondering how you got from A to B. The OP didn't make me think the people involved were into religion at all.

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    Re: Should I turn in my brother for food stamp fraud?

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    How exactly do they bust stores that sell booze to minors?


    Again, it happens all the time.
    By a witness reporting it?

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    Re: Should I turn in my brother for food stamp fraud?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Huh. I always figure that cops are too busy for this kind of stuff, but alrighty then.
    The department has a cadre of people, not cops themselves (if I understand correctly), to use for such operations. Sting operations against those who sell to underage customers is a constant exercise here and I think with all departments. The resources are already on hand and utilized for various stings. They just send a crew (including cops) to a particular place and, in a few minutes, the investigation is complete.

    ABC liquors has internal stings, and cops still conduct stings on them.

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