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    Re: Should I turn in my brother for food stamp fraud?

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    And here I thought it was, "You can pick your nose but you can't pick your family".
    Depending on your family, family members may pick your nose for you.
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    Re: Should I turn in my brother for food stamp fraud?

    It had to be very disheartening to have a brother lie to you and claim he and his full grown sons haven't eaten for two days because they had no money then turn around and use food stamps to buy beer and cigarettes after taking them to the store to buy groceries and pay for lunch. How sad especially when you consider the occasion was such a somber one burying their sister. I don't have it in me to turn in a brother but I would sure give him a piece of my mind. What a user.
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    Re: Should I turn in my brother for food stamp fraud?

    Federal push targets food stamp fraud
    December 8, 2013 11:19 PM
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    By Rich Lord / Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
    Federal agencies investigating food stamp fraud have begun bringing cases -- and convictions -- in a push that is likely to mean charges against more retailers that trade the federal benefit for cigarettes or cash.

    Last week, a federal grand jury indicted Waqar A. Malik, 56, of Cheswick for alleged food stamp fraud and theft of government funds, following an investigation by Pittsburgh's Internal Revenue Service Criminal Investigations unit. That came just days after a brother-sister shopkeeping team was sentenced to probation on similar charges.

    Special Agent Grant Friday of the U.S. Department of Agriculture Office of Inspector General said the cases are in part the result of the opening of an office of his agency in Pittsburgh in 2010. Food stamps are "one of our main program areas that we investigate," he said.

    The latest person charged, Mr. Malik, ran Natrona Mart in Natrona Heights, according to the indictment.

    He sold thousands of dollars worth of cigarettes for payment in Supplemental Nutritional Assistance Program benefits -- commonly known as food stamps -- then disguised the transactions as food sales to get government reimbursement, according to the indictment. The charges listed sales of more than $300 worth of cigarettes for food stamps in just two days in April.

    Mr. Malik could not be reached for comment.

    Stanley Saxton and Nicole Gordon, a brother and sister who emigrated from Jamaica and became citizens, were ordered last week to pay back $119,871 in food stamp benefits that they illegally converted into cash. U.S. District Judge Maurice B. Cohill sentenced both to two years of probation including five months of home detention.

    Saxton, 44, and Gordon, 34, both of Verona, ran the Wilkinsburg store known as Nicky's Corner. They allowed customers to sell food stamp credits for roughly 50 cents on the dollar, then got government reimbursement for the full amount of the benefit. Both pleaded guilty to conspiracy.

    Defense attorney Samuel Reich, who represented Saxton and Gordon, said that the new USDA office "sent undercover agents out and they got evidence against a number of stores."

    He added that Nicky's Corner will continue to operate, though it is barred from accepting food stamps.

    According to the USDA, 47.6 million Americans get around $75 billion a year in food stamps, and an estimated $858 million is "trafficked" into improper uses.

    That translates to around 1.3 percent of the program's funds misspent annually. That's down from estimated 4 percent loss rates in the 1990s, but up from historically low rates of 1 percent before 2009. The USDA attributes the uptick to an increase in the number of small- and mid-sized retailers who are accepting food stamps.


    The first food stamp fraud cases in recent memory in Western Pennsylvania were filed in March.

    Two Brentwood men who ran separate small grocery stores in the South Hills were indicted for wire fraud and food stamp fraud.

    Samson Dweh, then 30, who ran Mariama African Store in Carrick, is scheduled to plead guilty in February. He started accepting food stamps in February 2009, and in August 2010 started paying customers around 50 cents on each dollar of benefit they sought to cash in, according to the indictment against him.

    He then billed the USDA as if all of the benefits were redeemed for food, obtaining more than $200,000, "a substantial portion of such benefits having been unlawfully purchased for cash," according to the indictment.

    Emile Bizimungu, then 31, ran the Dollar Grocery Center in Mount Oliver, according to the indictment against him. Starting in 2011, he began trading benefits for cash, and the total reached more than $40,000, according to the charges.

    He has pleaded not guilty, and the assistant federal public defender representing him could not be reached for comment.


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    Re: Should I turn in my brother for food stamp fraud?

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    Rat out the store that fraudulently accepted EBT for booze and smokes.
    Better to blackmail the store for financial gain.

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    Re: Should I turn in my brother for food stamp fraud?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    If they want beer and smokes that bad, they will get them. They'll trade groceries they bought for them with other individuals.

    If they're criminally inclined, they'll steal them, or steal stuff to sell to buy beer and smokes.

    You can't stop vice. Might as well just shrug and roll with it. Personally I'd be less bothered by them using some of their snap allowance for beer/smokes than stealing for it.
    Just because we cannot stop vice does not mean that we should permit it or not enforce the laws on the books or report violations as good citizens. This business is essentially stealing by taking government money for things that the government does not pay for through EBT. It's also doing a disservice to the children because it appears that the father is not using EBT to buy food, but to buy alcohol and cigs. Both are stealing and committing fraud and it's the citizens that are being wrong along with the kids. The establishment should not be allowed to continue to do this and should be reported.
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    Re: Should I turn in my brother for food stamp fraud?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Just because we cannot stop vice does not mean that we should permit it or not enforce the laws on the books or report violations as good citizens. This business is essentially stealing by taking government money for things that the government does not pay for through EBT. It's also doing a disservice to the children because it appears that the father is not using EBT to buy food, but to buy alcohol and cigs. Both are stealing and committing fraud and it's the citizens that are being wrong along with the kids. The establishment should not be allowed to continue to do this and should be reported.

    in case you missed it, the children are adults in this case.

    and given all the things we have to worry about, some guy spending some portion of his snap on smokes and beer just doesn't concern me that much. Certainly not enough that I'd rat out family for it.

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    Re: Should I turn in my brother for food stamp fraud?

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Actually no, that's not the objective at all and the folks given the aid are well informed that it is only for the purchase of certain defined goods. They do still have the freedom to make stupid choices (between some junk and real foods), but those choices are restricted by agreement when they are receiving the aid.
    I understand what you saying regarding the rules for receiving food stamps and they have clearly violated them. I personally would never do it because I am way too straight when it comes to this stuff. It's just not a big enough deal to me, to make a fuss over. I would take it more seriously if they were lying about their need, or faking a disability. But nothing was provided to suggest something more serious like that.
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    Re: Should I turn in my brother for food stamp fraud?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    in case you missed it, the children are adults in this case.

    and given all the things we have to worry about, some guy spending some portion of his snap on smokes and beer just doesn't concern me that much. Certainly not enough that I'd rat out family for it.
    Hey G, tell that guy to keep his hands off my vices. We've become very attached over the years.
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    Re: Should I turn in my brother for food stamp fraud?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ray410 View Post
    The larger impact is already here and your corrupt president is doing nothing but enjoying making it worse. When does he start leading the way?
    I haven't voted in a presidential election since 2000. There hasn't been anyone worth voting for. Instead of trying to deflect answer this. How much theft do you consider too much. How much money are you willing to let someone steal from you. Or are you one of those closet liberals. Theft is theft
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    Re: Should I turn in my brother for food stamp fraud?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Just because we cannot stop vice does not mean that we should permit it or not enforce the laws on the books or report violations as good citizens. This business is essentially stealing by taking government money for things that the government does not pay for through EBT. It's also doing a disservice to the children because it appears that the father is not using EBT to buy food, but to buy alcohol and cigs. Both are stealing and committing fraud and it's the citizens that are being wrong along with the kids. The establishment should not be allowed to continue to do this and should be reported.
    So you are saying you could rat your good for nothing brother out? I couldn't. Even though I know what they were doing was wrong, I couldn't be the one to turn them in. But the OP has one small thing to be thankful for and that is he lives in another state with enough distance he doesn't have to put up with him. You know one way of ending this abuse of food stamps is to relinquish federal power over all welfare programs and allow the states complete authority/responsibility. Fraud would be slashed in no time.

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