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    Re: Should I turn in my brother for food stamp fraud?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    The employee would be getting money from the transaction how?

    By the way, I knew money would be the motivator, I just didn't see how money was going to flow into the hands of the employee.
    1.In many places the clerk is also the person who owns the store.
    2.Perhaps the clerk knows the people going through the check out line and gets a cut.
    3.Many people probably don't say anything out of fear of losing their job or just do not care.
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    Re: Should I turn in my brother for food stamp fraud?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    1.In many places the clerk is also the person who owns the store.
    2.Perhaps the clerk knows the people going through the check out line and gets a cut.
    3.Many people probably don't say anything out of fear of losing their job or just do not care.
    Should our goal be to reduce fraud? Or should it be to eliminate it?
    You can never be safe from a government that can keep you completely safe from each other and the world. You must choose.

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    Re: Should I turn in my brother for food stamp fraud?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    Should our goal be to reduce fraud? Or should it be to eliminate it?
    Our goal should be to eliminate it.But sometimes you have to settle for just reducing it.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Should I turn in my brother for food stamp fraud?

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    What's the objective here. To provide assistance for essentials until that person can get themselves back into a position where they can provide those things for themselves. If they decide that their essentials are beer and cigarettes (now keep in mind we're not talking about meth here, it's beer and cigs) then fine. You are free to make your own stupid choices. In the long run what they decide are essentials has not impact on the outcome.
    Actually no, that's not the objective at all and the folks given the aid are well informed that it is only for the purchase of certain defined goods. They do still have the freedom to make stupid choices (between some junk and real foods), but those choices are restricted by agreement when they are receiving the aid.

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    Re: Should I turn in my brother for food stamp fraud?

    As the old saying goes - "you can pick your friends, but you can't pick your family".

    However, you can treat family like you would treat friends (excluding spouses and children, because you've made a lifetime commitment to them).

    If a friend does something wrong that affects you and after you tell them it's wrong they still do it, you have the option of taking your friendship elsewhere. Since this brother and his sons aren't your responsibility and they live out of state from you, I'd simply put it down to behaviour you're never going to change and distance yourself from that behaviour.

    If three able bodied adult males are getting food stamps there's much more wrong with the program than some beer and cigarettes.
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    Re: Should I turn in my brother for food stamp fraud?

    Quote Originally Posted by SgtRock View Post
    Here is the situation. My brother and his sons live in another state. My sister passed away this month from lung cancer. I traveled there for the funeral and to visit. When I got there i found my brother and two of his sons had not eaten for two days. So i went out and picked up some burgers. After they had eaten I took my brother and his sons in my rental car, none of them have a car, to buy groceries which I gladly paid for. On the way back they asked me to stop at a store so i did. They came out with beer and cigaretts. Well needless to say i was pissed. I asked, how can you afford beer and cigaretts but can't afford food. My brother responded "the store accepted his food stamp card for beer and smokes, isn't that cool" I said hell no its not cool. My brother and his adult sons are on food stamps. So what am I to do. Turn in my brother and his sons.
    I am confused. You went to your sister's funeral and you brother and his adult sons live there. They are on food stamps. They haven't eaten so I can assume there was no food after the funeral? So you went to a store to buy groceries and then on the way home from a store they asked to stop at a store????? You didn't ask why before they went in? Did you not know they had these "food stamps"? Anyway, I find the story wanting.

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    Re: Should I turn in my brother for food stamp fraud?

    THE POVERTY LINE
    Six Myths About Food Stamps
    October 8, 2013
    by Dave Johnson
    This post first appeared in AlterNet.

    (Michael Stravato/ AP Images for ALDI)
    In the middle of the worst economy and job situation in decades Republicans in the House voted to cut $40 billion from food stamps. This will kick 3.8 million people out of the program by 2014, then 3 million more each year after.

    Republicans in Congress have blocked every effort to help the economy. They block bills to create jobs by fixing our crumbling infrastructure because it’s “government spending.” At the same time, right-wing outlets (accurately) complain that the economy is so weak that millions are hurting. And then the same Republicans who blocked efforts to help the economy cut assistance to the people who are hurting, claiming they don’t really need the help. No shame. In the months leading up to this vote, right-wing outlets such as Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, RedState and the rest of the far-right propaganda machine invented a number of justifications for cutting the program. Here is a take-down of some of those myths and lies.

    Myth #1: Food stamps are “growing exponentially” because of waste and fraud.
    Actually, the SNAP (food stamp) program is doing exactly what it is supposed to do and what a democracy would ask of it. It is helping people who need the help.

    Last March the Center for Budget and Policy Priorities (CBPP) responded to the charges that the program’s growth is out of control, reporting that:

    SNAP has responded effectively to the recession.
    What about “fraud?” Implicit in the accusation that the program is “growing exponentially” is the idea that the program is rife with fraud and waste. But the fraud and waste rate in the SNAP program is less than one percent. The Department of Agriculture (USDA) administers the SNAP program. They say the fraud rate “has fallen significantly over the last two decades, from about four cents on the dollar in 1993 to about one cent in 2006-08 (most recent data available).”



    Myth #2: Cutting food stamps will make people get jobs because able-bodied people are getting food stamps instead of working.

    Republicans call food stamps “welfare” and called the bill cutting food stamps the “Work Opportunity Act.” The idea is that after five years of recession and with 11.3 million people unemployed — 4.3 million out of work for 27 weeks or more — along with 7.9 million people working part-time but looking for full-time and another 2.3 million “marginally attached,” what the country needs is even more hungry people.

    Actually, even though many on food stamps are children, elderly, disabled or temporarily unemployed, lots of people who use food stamps already are working. According to Feeding America “76 percent of SNAP households included a child, an elderly person or a disabled person. These vulnerable households receive 83 percent of all SNAP benefits.” According to the USDA, “Over 30 percent of SNAP households had earnings in 2011 and 41 percent of all SNAP participants lived in a household with earnings.”

    One more thing, people don’t get very much food stamp money: four percent get only $16 a month. The average household gets $281 a month. The average individual gets about $133 a month.

    Would you quit work or refuse a job for $133 a month which can only be used to buy food?

    Myth #3: Food stamps make people “dependent.”

    Rep. Mike Cramer (R-ND) recently served up an example of right-wing mythology, saying that food stamps are responsible for “a culture of permanent dependency.”

    The right-wing Heritage Foundation and others constantly harp on this idea that democracies providing government services for people makes them “dependent” — as if people are squirrels who will lose the ability to find their own food in the wild.


    If anyone is “dependent,” it is corporations that pay so little their employees have to come to the taxpayers for help buying food for their families.

    Myth #4: Food stamps are about politicians “buying votes” with other people’s money.

    Amplifying the “dependency” argument, conservatives disparage democracy by saying that elected officials “buy votes” by providing food to hungry people — and other government services.

    The Christian Post has an example, in “Signing Up Seniors for Food Stamps Is Called ‘Buying Votes’ for Obama, Says Fox News Host.” The story reports that Fox News’ Stuart Varney says, ”The AARP, huge support[er]s of President Obama, politically and financially, big supporters of Obamacare. And now they’re out there signing people up for food stamps. This is part of the buy-the-vote campaign. They’re really shifting America, changing what America really is,” he said.

    Far-right Brietbart blasts, “HOW MANY VOTES WILL A 70 PERCENT INCREASE IN FOOD STAMPS BUY?” Similarly the right-wing Washington Times says, “Food stamps for votes.”

    The idea of a democracy is that people vote for the things they want, everyone has an equal vote, everyone pitches in and everyone shares in the resulting prosperity. Government spending in a democracy is, by definition, ‘We the People’ doing things to make our lives better. But to conservatives, government doing things that make our lives better is just “buying votes.”

    Myth #5: Food stamp recipients take drugs.

    The Republican bill to cut food stamps also will “allow states to require food stamp recipients to be tested for drugs.”

    Harold Pollack and Sheldon Danziger at The Washington Post look at this in “House Republicans want drug tests for food-stamp recipients. There’s no good reason for that.” They write, “Using 2011 data from the National Survey of Drug Use and Health (NSDUH), we looked at the behaviors and circumstances of adults ages 18-64 whose households received SNAP. We examined whether respondents had used some illicit substance during the previous month or year. We then looked at whether they met screening criteria for abuse or dependence on alcohol or illicit drugs.”




    Myth #6: People use food stamps to buy cigarettes and alcohol.

    Conservatives have widely circulated stories about people using food stamps to buy cigarettes and alcohol. The Blaze trumpets stories like, “THIS 65-YEAR-OLD CLERK WAS FIRED FOR REFUSING TO SELL CIGARETTES TO A FOOD STAMP CUSTOMER” and outlets like Fox echo it. These kinds of stories are everywhere in the right-wing echo chamber.

    Here are the facts: According to USDA, households may use food stamps to buy foods, such as breads and cereals; fruits and vegetables; meats, fish and poultry; and dairy products. Also they can buy seeds and plants which produce food to eat. (In some areas, restaurants can be authorized to accept SNAP benefits from qualified homeless, elderly or disabled people in exchange for low-cost meals.)

    Households may not use food stamps to buy beer, wine, liquor, cigarettes or tobacco; pet foods; soaps, paper products; household supplies; vitamins and medicines; food that will be eaten in the store; hot foods.


    So here we are in the worst economy in many decades. It’s more than difficult to find a job. Wages are actually falling for 95 percent of us. We have the highest income and wealth inequality since just before the depression.

    Meanwhile, according to the National Priorities Project the government is handing over $1 trillion a year to the wealthiest and corporations in the form of “tax expenditures.” Then there is that $450 billion a year that the IRS just fails to collect. The corporate foreign-income tax “deferral” has corporations holding as much as $2 trillion of taxable income outside the country. And hedge-fund managers making into the billions each year still get their Romney-style tax breaks.

    Yet Republicans are picking on the poorest citizens, lying and smearing them as lazy druggies and blaming them for the high unemployment by saying that $133 a month is keeping them from bothering to look for a job. Why do we put up with this?
    Last edited by Buck Ewer; 02-23-14 at 09:14 PM.

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    Re: Should I turn in my brother for food stamp fraud?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sababa View Post
    I am confused. You went to your sister's funeral and you brother and his adult sons live there. They are on food stamps. They haven't eaten so I can assume there was no food after the funeral? So you went to a store to buy groceries and then on the way home from a store they asked to stop at a store????? You didn't ask why before they went in? Did you not know they had these "food stamps"? Anyway, I find the story wanting.
    Ya Think???

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    Re: Should I turn in my brother for food stamp fraud?

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    As the old saying goes - "you can pick your friends, but you can't pick your family".
    And here I thought it was, "You can pick your nose but you can't pick your family".

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    Re: Should I turn in my brother for food stamp fraud?

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    Don't know ...don't care ...
    I just know a BS story laden with political agenda when I see one.
    You have been duped.
    The story could be BS, as you claim, without SgtRocks being the one BSing. It's quite possible that the brother and sons had cash, for beer and cigarettes, but told SR that they didn't have money for food - SR, good soul that he is, drove out and got them food but then the fools got him to drive them by the liquor store for beer and cigarettes and they told him the story about the food stamps so that he wouldn't be mad that they had money they didn't tell him about. It wouldn't be the first time a family member lied to another and it wouldn't be the first time a family member took advantage of a another family member who's kind hearted and better off.
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