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    Re: Should I turn in my brother for food stamp fraud?

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Once again, doing one is doing the other. Best to treat it like one would a family alcoholic. Love em but refuse support their behavior, make that clear.
    The difference between an alcoholic though is in this case, the store is illegal using taxpayer money to purchase alcohol and cigs with EBT cards. That's harming the community and abusing money that does cost the taxpayer and society. Odds are if they do it for one person they are doing it for everyone that asks.
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    Re: Should I turn in my brother for food stamp fraud?

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Once again, doing one is doing the other. Best to treat it like one would a family alcoholic. Love em but refuse support their behavior, make that clear.
    don't think it is one in the same
    it might be if the store was reported, was placed under surveillance, and the brother showed up to to participate in an illicit exchange of food stamps for ineligible items
    but if your brother is stupid enough to do that then he deserves to be caught. only not by his brother ratting him out

    i work with Montagnard refugees from vietnam. last year one if the men was sent a letter from social services asking him to come in to discuss his SNAP (food stamp) purchases
    he asked me to attend. i did; with his daughter, who speaks both gharai (their native language) and english
    this fellow was concerned. as a refugee he feels vulnerable to the system. he wanted me there so that i could explain what was going on
    turns out, social services put him thru this ordeal, losing a day's work/wages, to ask him if he observed any inappropriate transactions while shopping at the asian food store he frequents. seems the department had received a tip that the operator was allowing food stamps to be used to purchase ineligible items
    my friend said 'no', he was unaware of this
    but it seemed a weird way to investigate. now, what is to prevent word from getting back to the store owner that he is under scrutiny. or maybe that was the intent. to cause him to be more discrete in his illegal behavior
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    Re: Should I turn in my brother for food stamp fraud?

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    well that is retarded and a dick move and i get that part but i dont see the factual fraud on the dads or kids part.

    I just see the dad being an irresponsible assclown.

    now if the store in fact broke the law then it should be turned in
    if it didnt break the law, the laws need changed
    The fraud is that the recipient of the food stamps is not supposed to use it for anything but food. If they knowingly violated that guideline then that would be what he is calling fraud.

    The store is committing fraud by accepting the EBT for items they are not suppose to accept those funds for.

    This is a weird OP. There are a lot of details missing that would help people respond. Like, how long have they been receiving EBT. Did they kind of fall apart when they lost his sister so this is a recent thing and they are not at their best right now? Are they looking for work but having no luck? etc.

    I'm not that black and white on these things. I was out with my sister one day and I gave a bum 20 bucks. She said, why do you give him money you know he's just gonna use it for alcohol. Yeah, I don't care. I gave him money because I had it and he needed it. If he determines that what he wants from that 20 bucks is a bottle of booze well, that's up to him. I can't control that outcome and I acted according to my conscience. Better then doing nothing.
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    Re: Should I turn in my brother for food stamp fraud?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    The difference between an alcoholic though is in this case, the store is illegal using taxpayer money to purchase alcohol and cigs with EBT cards. That's harming the community and abusing money that does cost the taxpayer and society. Odds are if they do it for one person they are doing it for everyone that asks.
    Rock and hard place here. If you dime out the store you also dime out your family.

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    Re: Should I turn in my brother for food stamp fraud?

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    don't think it is one in the same
    it might be if the store was reported, was placed under surveillance, and the brother showed up to to participate in an illicit exchange of food stamps for ineligible items
    but if your brother is stupid enough to do that then he deserves to be caught. only not by his brother ratting him out

    i work with Montagnard refugees from vietnam. last year one if the men was sent a letter from social services asking him to come in to discuss his SNAP (food stamp) purchases
    he asked me to attend. i did; with his daughter, who speaks both gharai (their native language) and english
    this fellow was concerned. as a refugee he feels vulnerable to the system. he wanted me there so that i could explain what was going on
    turns out, social services put him thru this ordeal, losing a day's work/wages, to ask him if he observed any inappropriate transactions while shopping at the asian food store he frequents. seems the department had received a tip that the operator was allowing food stamps to be used to purchase ineligible items
    my friend said 'no', he was unaware of this
    but it seemed a weird way to investigate. now, what is to prevent word from getting back to the store owner that he is under scrutiny. or maybe that was the intent. to cause him to be more discrete in his illegal behavior
    It's a bit different now with the cards. Again, one of the first things a state investigator would do is to pull the purchase records. Easy thing to do with the cards.

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    Re: Should I turn in my brother for food stamp fraud?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    I hate it when other people have fun and enjoy their vices. I just lie awake at night worrying that someone, somewhere, is enjoying a beer and a smoke, and it just pisses me off.



    In other words... frack it. If they want to buy beer and smokes instead of food, their problem. They have only so much food stamp allowance; if they prefer to drink some of it, I really don't care much.
    Exactly! That's how I feel about it. It's weird to me how so many people scream about their choices not being forced on them but for some reason these guys have surrendered that same right because they are down and out. Seems hypocritical
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    Re: Should I turn in my brother for food stamp fraud?

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    1.)The fraud is that the recipient of the food stamps is not supposed to use it for anything but food. If they knowingly violated that guideline then that would be what he is calling fraud.

    2.) The store is committing fraud by accepting the EBT for items they are not suppose to accept those funds for.

    3.) This is a weird OP. There are a lot of details missing that would help people respond. Like, how long have they been receiving EBT. Did they kind of fall apart when they lost his sister so this is a recent thing and they are not at their best right now? Are they looking for work but having no luck? etc.

    4.)I'm not that black and white on these things. I was out with my sister one day and I gave a bum 20 bucks. She said, why do you give him money you know he's just gonna use it for alcohol. Yeah, I don't care. I gave him money because I had it and he needed it. If he determines that what he wants from that 20 bucks is a bottle of booze well, that's up to him. I can't control that outcome and I acted according to my conscience. Better then doing nothing.
    1.) and thats it, "knowingly" again i'm not condoning his actions im saying when he uses the card if the store, or better yet the machine accepts it how is he to know.
    the store and machine should not accept it. AGain not condoning it but i dont see anyway of charging him really and certainly no way of convicting him. and especially his sons.

    2.) if this is in fact the law i agree with it, not only is the store at fault but id like to know how the machine accepts it, im sure it would be VERY easy for the machine/card to reject it

    i have a visa card that is a prepaid medical card. For all purposes it looks like a visa. money is removed from my pay PRETAX and dropped into it. But if i accidentally use it in the wrong place or even use it in the right places but try to put something on it thats actually not covered it gets immediately rejected.

    why is this not the same?

    3.) i agree it is also a weird OP. And more details would be nice but if i was in that situation i turn in the store no matter what.

    4.) I myself at times have operated in the grey and its how live is, Even it got it in my sig
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    Re: Should I turn in my brother for food stamp fraud?

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    Exactly! That's how I feel about it. It's weird to me how so many people scream about their choices not being forced on them but for some reason these guys have surrendered that same right because they are down and out. Seems hypocritical

    Yup. Like when I give some 'will work for food'-sign-guy a dollar... sure he may drink it or spend it on meth instead of food, but that is HIS problem, not mine.

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    Re: Should I turn in my brother for food stamp fraud?

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    Exactly! That's how I feel about it. It's weird to me how so many people scream about their choices not being forced on them but for some reason these guys have surrendered that same right because they are down and out. Seems hypocritical
    Well, not really hypocritical in my view. There the whole "live in my house, live by my rules. When you get your own place that's up to you" thing. They're buying food with OPM (other people's money). There are rules they agreed to when they accepted the card.

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    Re: Should I turn in my brother for food stamp fraud?

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Well, not really hypocritical in my view. There the whole "live in my house, live by my rules. When you get your own place that's up to you" thing. They're buying food with OPM (other people's money). There are rules they agreed to when they accepted the card.
    Well I have a real shocker for you CB. I disagree with you. (I could almost hear the gasp from here)
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