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Thread: Should I turn in my brother for food stamp fraud?

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    Re: Should I turn in my brother for food stamp fraud?

    I wonder if my brother will turn me in if I decide to go on disability even though I can and do work, MT bike, X country ski, snow shoe hike and white water kayak.

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    Re: Should I turn in my brother for food stamp fraud?

    Quote Originally Posted by SgtRock View Post
    I believe in the rule of law. And I didn't squeal on anyone. My brother didn't do anything that would necessitate me beating his ass. We use our brains not our fist to resolve problems. What you did was Assault. or Possible Assault and Battery. Assault - Oklahoma Stat. Ann. Tit. 21, §641 Unless the crime is committed against a special victim or involves the use of a dangerous weapon, assault is a misdemeanor punishable by up to thirty days in jail or a $500 fine, or both. Assault and Battery - Oklahoma Stat. Ann.Tit. 21, §644.) A crime of assault and battery that is not committed against a special victim, does not result in serious bodily injury, and does not involve the use of a dangerous weapon is a misdemeanor punishable by up to ninety days in jail or a $1,000 fine, or both. So what your telling me is that you are a common criminal.
    I gotta love it, you would MUCH rather rat your own flesh and blood out to the police and possible jail time than confront him... you don't have to beat his ass, but confront him...

    I figure you were not a grunt and don't know what tree to tree counseling statements are, what a blanket party is...

    Sometimes you have to man-up not weasel out. You can try and deflect this on me, but the truth is you would rather that the limp willie way out and narc your own flesh and blood out rather than confront and help him see the light...

    I am a combat vet who realizes some things are best handled man to man, not dropping dimes. Bruises heal, a criminal record doesn't. (You are starting to sound like a liberal)

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    Re: Should I turn in my brother for food stamp fraud?

    Quote Originally Posted by SgtRock View Post
    Here is the situation. My brother and his sons live in another state. My sister passed away this month from lung cancer. I traveled there for the funeral and to visit. When I got there i found my brother and two of his sons had not eaten for two days. So i went out and picked up some burgers. After they had eaten I took my brother and his sons in my rental car, none of them have a car, to buy groceries which I gladly paid for. On the way back they asked me to stop at a store so i did. They came out with beer and cigaretts. Well needless to say i was pissed. I asked, how can you afford beer and cigaretts but can't afford food. My brother responded "the store accepted his food stamp card for beer and smokes, isn't that cool" I said hell no its not cool. My brother and his adult sons are on food stamps. So what am I to do. Turn in my brother and his sons.
    Well, at least the money you spent went to real food, and not beer and cigarettes. Seems that they place a higher value on beer and cigarettes than on real food, which seems kinda wrong priorities to me. But you can't really keep people from hurting themselves, if they are bound and determined to do so.

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    Re: Should I turn in my brother for food stamp fraud?

    Quote Originally Posted by SgtRock View Post
    They were hungry for two days because my sister just died. And because they are without transportation. And they save their food stamp money for beer and cigarettes. You must not have The store that accepts there card for beer and cigarettes is 18 miles from there apartment. And my brother confessed to me that he has been buying tobacco and alcohol form this store for many years. I was outside waiting in the parking lot. I had just bought groceries for them when they asked me to stop at the store. None of them have a job so they are flat broke. There are other circumstances that I choose not to divulge. Like I said they didn't pay for the groceries because they save their cards for beer and cigarettes. What are you suggesting Maggie?
    I'm suggesting mind your own business.

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    Re: Should I turn in my brother for food stamp fraud?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Are you aware that just not reporting income is considered "welfare fraud?" They don't care if you say "you didn't know." Ignorance of the law is NOT an excuse, especially when you are an adult and have signed the necessary paperwork and agreements to receive such benefits.
    Yes, reporting income which not the same as buying beer and cigs from a store who is illegally trading beer and cigs for food stamps per their agreement with the Government.
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    Re: Should I turn in my brother for food stamp fraud?

    You should turn them all in: you're family is stealing from you indirectly. The store is enabling them. You should not abide by criminals. And when you bought food for your nephews? They purchased cigarettes and beers instead of asking to make a quick grocery run. They will never stop stealing until something bad happens to them.
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    Re: Should I turn in my brother for food stamp fraud?

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    Yes, reporting income which not the same as buying beer and cigs from a store who is illegally trading beer and cigs for food stamps per their agreement with the Government.
    Nope, people get arrested for fraud for buying beer and cigarettes if caught too. You are wrong. You cannot SIGN a CONTRACT and then claim ignorance of the terms. It is ILLEGAL, AGAINST THE LAW, an arrestable offense.

    Among the 216 arrests was a woman living in a $300,000 home in Fairfield Twp.’s Walden Ponds subdivision. The woman was using her son’s SNAP card for groceries while he was in jail.

    “Her excuse was he told her to use the card because it was going to expire. She said she was buying items for her son to use when he got out,” Rosser said. “He went to prison for three years. I am thinking the milk won’t be good when he gets out.”

    SNAP benefits can only be used to buy foods to eat, such as:
    breads and cereal
    fruits and vegetables
    meats, fish and poultry
    dairy products
    seeds and plants to produce food
    SNAP benefits cannot be used to buy:
    Beer, wine, liquor, cigarettes or tobacco
    Any nonfood items, such as pet foods, soaps, paper products, diapers, and household supplies
    Vitamins and medicines

    Another woman was arrested after she used a neighbor’s card to purchase two gallons of milk for her cat. She told detectives it was going to “starve to death.”

    The Butler County operation also uncovered drug addicts trading their SNAP cards for heroin.
    “They didn’t want to eat, they wanted caps of heroin,” Rosser said.

    Some also offered to sell their benefits for 50 cents on the dollar, and Rosser said it happens on street corners, in homes and even at the grocery store.

    “Someone sees a person in a store pushing a cart load of groceries and goes up and and says, ‘Give me $100 for this card. It has $200 on it,’ ” Rosser said. That cash, he said, is then used to buy drugs or items not permitted with assistance funds, including alcohol and cigarettes.
    The investigation also uncovered retailers who buy cards or allow people to purchase unauthorized items.

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    Re: Should I turn in my brother for food stamp fraud?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Nope, people get arrested for fraud for buying beer and cigarettes if caught too. You are wrong. You cannot SIGN a CONTRACT and then claim ignorance of the terms. It is ILLEGAL, AGAINST THE LAW, an arrestable offense.
    Seriously? Two if thise cases were using ANOTHER persons food stamps.

    Being arrested also doesn't mean guilt. Bet if you follow up on those cases, if they have a good lawyer, they walk.

    You aren't signing a contract when you get food stamps. You are signing material to apply to food stamps and legally claiming you have X income. Nowhere is there a legal contract once given the benefits detailing what you can and can't buy legally. They send a pamphlet but that's not a binding contract now is it?
    Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. It is inaccurate to say that I hate everything. I am strongly in favor of common sense, common honesty, and common decency. This makes me forever ineligible for public office. H.L Mencken

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    Re: Should I turn in my brother for food stamp fraud?

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    Seriously? Two if thise cases were using ANOTHER persons food stamps.

    Being arrested also doesn't mean guilt. Bet if you follow up on those cases, if they have a good lawyer, they walk.

    You aren't signing a contract when you get food stamps. You are signing material to apply to food stamps and legally claiming you have X income. Nowhere is there a legal contract once given the benefits detailing what you can and can't buy legally. They send a pamphlet but that's not a binding contract now is it?
    Are YOU kidding? You are saying that ignorance of the law is an excuse to break it. You are wrong. These people sign a legally binding contract that they cannot use their foodstamps in such a manner because that is fraud. It is clearly spelled out to all before signing the papers, among with numerous other regulations.

    It IS a legally-binding contract which holds up in a court of law.

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    Re: Should I turn in my brother for food stamp fraud?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I'm suggesting mind your own business.
    Well, I think when it's your family member, it is your business. Besides, welfare fraud effects everyone, so it actually is everyone's business.

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