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Thread: Should I turn in my brother for food stamp fraud?

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    Re: Should I turn in my brother for food stamp fraud?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    3) Both the store and the people are committing fraud.

    You know, that's how the law looks at it.
    No, that's not how the law works when it comes to fraud. You have to knowingly commit fraud to be guilty of it. A consumer who is receiving food stamps typically doesn't know the ins and outs of the food stamp program on what can be bought and what can't. The store on the other hand does know as to be a member of the program requires State approval. That approval requires different things like testing, random checks, and such.
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    Re: Should I turn in my brother for food stamp fraud?

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    No, that's not how the law works when it comes to fraud. You have to knowingly commit fraud to be guilty of it.
    What kind of a ****ing moron doesn't know that EBT cards are not to be used for liquor and cigs? I'm pretty sure that's mentioned in the pamphlet, and is part of the paperwork signed by a recipient.

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    Re: Should I turn in my brother for food stamp fraud?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    What kind of a ****ing moron doesn't know that EBT cards are not to be used for liquor and cigs? I'm pretty sure that's mentioned in the pamphlet, and is part of the paperwork signed by a recipient.
    The kind of person who goes to a store who decides they don't give a damn and want to fleece the system to stay in business.

    Stores should practice doing this: "You can't buy that"
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    Re: Should I turn in my brother for food stamp fraud?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    The kind of person who goes to a store who decides they don't give a damn and want to fleece the system to stay in business.
    So you agree the claim of ignorance is BS.

    Stores should practice doing this: "You can't buy that"
    99.9% of them do. Very few commit EBT fraud.

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    Re: Should I turn in my brother for food stamp fraud?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    So you agree the claim of ignorance is BS.
    Yes - trust me, they KNOW. You cannot claim ignorance of the existing laws - the law doesn't work that way. If you want to run a proper business and stay afloat you stay on top of all rules and regulations that government your business. This is common business sense 101.

    "Gee officer, I didn't know that going 100 in a 70 was against the law." - See, it doesn't work that way.
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    Re: Should I turn in my brother for food stamp fraud?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Yes - trust me, they KNOW. You cannot claim ignorance of the existing laws - the law doesn't work that way.

    "Gee officer, I didn't know that going 100 in a 70 was against the law." - See, it doesn't work that way.
    Beside, one signs paperwork to get EBT. That paperwork includes "no alcohol or cigs".

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    Re: Should I turn in my brother for food stamp fraud?

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    I am an old grunt, not a thug. You have huffed and puffed online but now want to drop a dime on your brother???

    Ummm your brother is hurting all good Gawd-fearin' CONs by fraud. Your 'compassion' is to report him to the police so he can go to jail... yeah you are Mr. Compassion.

    The cops didn't even show-up. My brother got up and walked to a friend's house, the two neighbors didn't say a word- here in Oklahoma family deals with family, unlike Texas where apparently squealing on family is the way to go.

    But thanks for asking...

    My bottom line, if it pisses you off enough to come in here to rant, if it pisses you off enough to want to rat him out and possible jail time- then 'old soldier' ya can at least confront him, flip a few tables, ya know, demonstrate your disdain for fraud.
    I believe in the rule of law. And I didn't squeal on anyone. My brother didn't do anything that would necessitate me beating his ass. We use our brains not our fist to resolve problems. What you did was Assault. or Possible Assault and Battery.

    Assault - Oklahoma Stat. Ann. Tit. 21, 641 . Unless the crime is committed against a special victim or involves the use of a dangerous weapon, assault is a misdemeanor punishable by up to thirty days in jail or a $500 fine, or both.

    Assault and Battery - Oklahoma Stat. Ann.Tit. 21, 644.) A crime of assault and battery that is not committed against a special victim, does not result in serious bodily injury, and does not involve the use of a dangerous weapon is a misdemeanor punishable by up to ninety days in jail or a $1,000 fine, or both.

    So what your telling me is that you are a common criminal.
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    Re: Should I turn in my brother for food stamp fraud?

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    No, that's not how the law works when it comes to fraud. You have to knowingly commit fraud to be guilty of it. A consumer who is receiving food stamps typically doesn't know the ins and outs of the food stamp program on what can be bought and what can't. The store on the other hand does know as to be a member of the program requires State approval. That approval requires different things like testing, random checks, and such.
    I think that would be 'ignorance of the law' which isn't considered a valid excuse in MOST instances.

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    Re: Should I turn in my brother for food stamp fraud?

    There are two threads about this, and I'm getting confused. Someone delete the other thread or something.

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    Re: Should I turn in my brother for food stamp fraud?

    Quote Originally Posted by SgtRock View Post
    I believe in the rule of law. And I didn't squeal on anyone. My brother didn't do anything that would necessitate me beating his ass. We use our brains not our fist to resolve problems. What you did was Assault. or Possible Assault and Battery.

    Assault - Oklahoma Stat. Ann. Tit. 21, 641 . Unless the crime is committed against a special victim or involves the use of a dangerous weapon, assault is a misdemeanor punishable by up to thirty days in jail or a $500 fine, or both.

    Assault and Battery - Oklahoma Stat. Ann.Tit. 21, 644.) A crime of assault and battery that is not committed against a special victim, does not result in serious bodily injury, and does not involve the use of a dangerous weapon is a misdemeanor punishable by up to ninety days in jail or a $1,000 fine, or both.

    So what your telling me is that you are a common criminal.
    I really don't think that beating him up would solve any of your or his problems anyway and would just make matters worse. Then YOU might be the one going to jail.

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