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trapping

Are you pro or anti trapping

  • pro trapping

    Votes: 12 52.2%
  • anti trapping

    Votes: 10 43.5%
  • no opinion, stupid thread sawyer

    Votes: 1 4.3%

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    23

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One size says it is cruel and unnecessary, the other side says it is part of America's heritage, fun and profitable.


"Each year, millions of furbearing animals are killed under the auspices of "nuisance wildlife control" and millions more are killed in the name of fashion. Indiscriminate body-crushing traps are used to capture or kill furbearing animals who are deemed a "nuisance" or who are valued only for the fur on their backs.
Once an animal is caught she may remain in the trap for several days before starving or dying from exposure. Snares are a wire noose and can cause trapped animals to slowly strangle to death. With leghold traps, an animal my chew off his own paw to escape, only to die days later from the injury."


Campaigns and Programs - Trapping and Fur Trade: Cruel and Unnecessary



As we have inherited our great trapping heritage, so too have we inherited the responsibility of carrying out our wonderful sport in an ethical manner. Through education of today's trappers, our goal is to provide the information necessary for them to carry through on this responsibility.
Our goal is also to provide the information necessary to enable the novice trapper to learn the techniques of constructing sets, humanely dispatching animals, fur handling, etc. This will be done primarily through the input of the many experienced trappers out there interested in the education of our young trappers.
Our goal is to encourage today's trappers to join their national, and state trapping associations. By joining these organizations, we strengthen our numbers for battle against those who would take this great sport from us. We have many battles ahead in the legislative arena and these organizations need more than just our money. It's imperative that we show the public who we are and the good we are doing for the wildlife. Always keep in mind that we are the true protectors of wildlife and the wild places in which the animals live.

Trapperman Mission Statement


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I do not support trapping in any way it is indeed cruel and unnecessary.
 
Hunting is perfectly fine. whether it be trapping or otherwise.
 
If done, trapping needs to be humane. "Bear traps," etc. should not be legal for any purpose. Those things are dangerous and cruel.
 
I don't get why people would want to trap in this day and age, it is cruel and only serves to feed power fantasies. Laws need to be created to criminalize trapping.
 
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I'm against the kind of traps shown above.

Fully in favor of, and supportive of hunting.

Trapping seems to be completely inhumane and torturous. Based on my extremely limited knowledge of it - I'd vote against it.
 
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I'm against the kind of traps shown above.

Fully in favor of, and supportive of hunting.

Trapping seems to be completely inhumane and torturous. Based on my extremely limited knowledge of it - I'd vote against it.

Think those are bad these full body traps are even worse. You need a special tool to release them and peoples dogs are getting caught in them when they are out for walks. They just have to watch their pet die.

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One size says it is cruel and unnecessary, the other side says it is part of America's heritage, fun and profitable.
I support humane trapping. Humane traps for bobcats. Productivity is never an excuse to make an animal suffer. Trapping small game can often be more fruitful than hunting small game, especially is you can't/don't have a hound. Depending on the area and season, trapping small game can be more productive than hunting big-game.
 
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Over forty views and only three responses to this thread. As I suspected this is largely a non issue with urban America. Out of sight out of mind I guess.

Pretty much. I'm a born and bred city boy, so I can't say that the issue affects me one way or the other.

However, given what I know on the subject, I can't say that I have a problem with trapping, IF it is done humanely.
 
If done, trapping needs to be humane. "Bear traps," etc. should not be legal for any purpose. Those things are dangerous and cruel.
What about mouse traps or roach traps?
 
How the hell is trapping a "sport"? You place the trap, go home and drink a few beers, come back in a day or two to see if you've caught something. Forget that, I want it banned because it people are deluding themselves into thinking that is a sport.
 
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I'm against the kind of traps shown above.

Fully in favor of, and supportive of hunting.

Trapping seems to be completely inhumane and torturous. Based on my extremely limited knowledge of it - I'd vote against it.

That is the type of trap I used when running trap lines as a youth. It was for money and sometimes food.

Oh, and hats with long tails.

Thom Paine
 
Mouse traps???? That's not what this thread is about.

Can someone explain to me "humane trapping"?

Do you mean like these catch-n-release type traps?

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Yes humane trapping is using traps that do no inflict injury. Trap and release these days is usually to reduce damage done by animals to property owners. The skunk being trapped however is a poor example as someone will need to tranquilize the animal so as not to be sprayed which is no fun at all. My brother in law has been humane trapping squirrels and racoons to keep them away from his bird feeders. 12 squirrels and 4 racoons so far. He drives them to a local park county park in a release area and lets them go. So far it seems to be working.

Spring, jaw and other type traps are to me outdated. They had their uses a long time ago for those who needed to make a living off the land but that for the most part is no longer needed, and is cruel to the animals who are not killed or who have to chew their appendages off to escape. I'm all for hunting, fishing... but cruel traps are a thing of the past and should be left in the past.
 
It's funny to see what people will claim is 'a part of our heritage'

Look: it's a form of technology designed to serve a purpose. In the past - it was a viable option for safety if you, say, lived in a dangerous wild environment and it was 'the Leopard or my ass'

These days there are several other methods of catching wildlife that do not involve inflicting long term injury before death.

- If some people really felt that 'heritage' mattered they'd be decrying guns and demanding our LEO's carry bows and arrows, hatchets and longarms.
 
Yes humane trapping is using traps that do no inflict injury. Trap and release these days is usually to reduce damage done by animals to property owners. The skunk being trapped however is a poor example as someone will need to tranquilize the animal so as not to be sprayed which is no fun at all. My brother in law has been humane trapping squirrels and racoons to keep them away from his bird feeders. 12 squirrels and 4 racoons so far. He drives them to a local park county park in a release area and lets them go. So far it seems to be working.

Spring, jaw and other type traps are to me outdated. They had their uses a long time ago for those who needed to make a living off the land but that for the most part is no longer needed, and is cruel to the animals who are not killed or who have to chew their appendages off to escape. I'm all for hunting, fishing... but cruel traps are a thing of the past and should be left in the past.

Traps like the one shown with a skunk in it are not viable options for fur trappers. Conibear traps (called body traps in a previous post) are the most humane alternative to leg-hold traps for the professional trapper. If that's not good enough, then banning fur trapping is the only route left. Me, I don't have a dog in the hunt so I don't care if you ban trapping but the men who make their living in the bush will need to be supported because they don't usually live near a labour hiring hall.
 
How the hell is trapping a "sport"?
If you're competing against someone, it's a sport:
Etymology"Sport" comes from the Old French desport meaning "leisure", with the oldest definition in English from around 1300 being "anything humans find amusing or entertaining".[7]
Other meanings include gambling and events staged for the purpose of gambling; hunting; and games and diversions, including ones that require exercise.[8] Roget's defines the noun sport as an "activity engaged in for relaxation and amusement" with synonyms including diversion and recreation.[9]
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So if you're competing against other trappers/hunters for the same game, it's a sport.

You place the trap, go home and drink a few beers, come back in a day or two to see if you've caught something.
You set several traps over miles and revisit each one at least one every day, claiming caught critters, resetting traps, fixing sprung traps which failed to catch anything or the wrong species/gender/to-young/sickly. You generally want to avoid those beers because you can't carry a firearm while intoxicated.

Forget that, I want it banned because it people are deluding themselves into thinking that is a sport.
Some people do it as their living, others do it for pest control. If you ban traps then people will resort to poisons, which will not only make the target critter unusable to humans but will also infect scavengers and the rest of the natural food chain.
 
Mouse traps???? That's not what this thread is about.

Can someone explain to me "humane trapping"?

Do you mean like these catch-n-release type traps?

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You got it. "Humane trapping" is when the critter isn't injured while trapped.
 
I was a licensed trapper as a youth. The law stated that your traps had to be checked every 24 hours. We would walk 3 miles in the snow every morning before school to check ours.

We started with leg hold traps but switched quickly to the killer type of trap. Those are the ones that are shown to have large dead dogs in them a few posts above. We didn't use that size. Those dogs would have been OK (sore nose maybe) if they messed with one of ours.

We also prized the occasional mink pelt ($) so we stopped using an apple slice for bait. We used our eyes to see animal trails and placed the unbated traps in the path most likely taken.

Mostly we caught muskrat and rabbits. We did catch one red fox in a leg hold trap.

At a time when my allowance for the week was 50 cents, $2.00 muskrat pelts were nice to take to the furrier.

I went back to where I went to HS last July for a reunion. The area where we set our traps is gone. It's all urban sprawl now.
 
I used to trap a lot when I was a kid, we ran our traps at the very least every morning and usually twice a day, just to make sure nothing was suffering in the trap. I never caught any pets.
 
I'm a conservationist and, as such, see a need for trapping. However, there are strict rules our Conservation Department has for trapping & traps and anyone in violation should maybe be put in one of their own traps for a day or two, depending on the infraction.
 
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I'm against the kind of traps shown above.

Fully in favor of, and supportive of hunting.

Trapping seems to be completely inhumane and torturous. Based on my extremely limited knowledge of it - I'd vote against it.

Ah, The dangers of posting about something you know nothing about.

The trap pictured is fictional. There isn't and never has been a trap manufactured like the one pictured. It is a figment of someones imagination.


Bear traps mentioned too. There is no place in North America where you can legally set a bear trap.

The conibear trap pictured although somewhat outdated are used. They were introduced in the 60s as a more humane alternative to foot traps. They are the most humane trap for water animals like beaver and smaller animals like marten. Larger conibear traps should not be placed where they can catch dogs and that is a rare happening but perhaps some states do need to update their laws in this respect.

Foot traps have undergone a lot of changes in the last 20 years. They are not your grandfathers traps or even your fathers.

The association of Fish and Wildlife Agencies and the Canadian government have spent millions on trap testing to identfy the most humane and effective traps. For instance the Canadian criteria for a legal conibear trap is 90 seconds from capture to unconsiousness. Foot traps are judged by trauma. A broken bone or cutting from the trap will result in its disqulaification.
24 hour mandatory trap check laws are the norm across the US so you can stop talking about animals starving in traps. It just ain't happening.

Cage traps? They are not effective on some kinds of animals. They are very inefficent and are not always the most humane trap.

So why do we need trappers? We need trappers because it is the only means to manage furbearer populations. Some animals and locations do not lend themselves to other means of control. Even in Massachusetts where they tried to outlaw trapping they had to allow some trapping when some furbeareres such as beaver became a problem.

Also I see nothing wrong with utilizing a renewable natural resource like furbearers. It puts a few dollars in trappers pockets and saves the public a lot of money by not haveing to hire government trappers to control problem animals.

Yes, I am a trapper.
 
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