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    Michael Dunn retrial verdict predictions

    The retrial of Michael Dunn is tentative slated for May of this year. In the first trial he was found guilty on 4 of the 5 charges against him. The jury was deadlocked on whether Dunn was guilty of murder. What's your prediction on the verdict in the Michael Dunn retrial?

    I think he'll be found guilty for the following reasons:

    - Dunn will likely be completely demoralized and will have nothing to fight for. Guilty on attempted murder has him in jail for life regardless. He might even use the second trial as an opportunity to vent/thumb his nose at his critics/express his disdain for "thugs" especially if he's been victimized in some way by fellow inmates by then.

    - In jail with no resources means he'll have a low budget public defender representing him.

    - The prosecution has the benefit of a dress rehearsal in the first trial and knows what they likely should focus on plus a lot of input from other legal experts who've appeared on TV saying what they missed.
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    Re: Michael Dunn retrial verdict predictions

    The jury wasn't deadlocked on whether Dunn was guilty of murder. They were deadlocked over whether he was guilty of 1st degree murder. There's a difference.

    From what the two jurors that have come out have said, it appears the state over charged with 1st degree murder and that was what the deadlock in the jury was over given the evidence and the way the law is written.

    If the state charges 2nd degree murder, they may get a conviction this time.

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    Re: Michael Dunn retrial verdict predictions

    The state made the same mistake in the Susan Anthony trial, they overcharged with Murder 1 and didn't prove every requisite element. In this case, depending on how the charges are defined by their statutes, the state will go for M2 or Manslaughter this time.

    It's a good thing this case is so clear cut because the defense now knows every single aspect of the state's presentation.

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    Re: Michael Dunn retrial verdict predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    The retrial of Michael Dunn is tentative slated for May of this year. In the first trial he was found guilty on 4 of the 5 charges against him. The jury was deadlocked on whether Dunn was guilty of murder. What's your prediction on the verdict in the Michael Dunn retrial?

    I think he'll be found guilty for the following reasons:

    - Dunn will likely be completely demoralized and will have nothing to fight for. Guilty on attempted murder has him in jail for life regardless. He might even use the second trial as an opportunity to vent/thumb his nose at his critics/express his disdain for "thugs" especially if he's been victimized in some way by fellow inmates by then.

    - In jail with no resources means he'll have a low budget public defender representing him.

    - The prosecution has the benefit of a dress rehearsal in the first trial and knows what they likely should focus on plus a lot of input from other legal experts who've appeared on TV saying what they missed.

    If they go for 2nd degree murder then I think they will have a guilty verdict.If they over reach and try to go for 1st degree murder then I think it will either be not guilty or another mistrial.



    In case anyone is wondering what the different degrees of murder are.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_..._United_States


    First-degree murder is any murder that is willful and premeditated. Felony murder is typically first-degree.[6]

    Second-degree murder is a murder that is not premeditated or planned in advance.[7]

    Voluntary manslaughter (often incorrectly referred to as third-degree murder), sometimes called a "Heat of Passion" murder, is any intentional killing that involved no prior intent to kill, and which was committed under such circumstances that would "cause a reasonable person to become emotionally or mentally disturbed." Both this and second-degree murder are committed on the spot, but the two differ in the magnitude of the circumstances surrounding the crime. For example, a bar fight that results in death would ordinarily constitute second-degree murder. If that same bar fight stemmed from a discovery of infidelity, however, it may be mitigated to voluntary manslaughter.[8]

    Involuntary manslaughter stems from a lack of intention to cause death but involving an intentional, or negligent, act leading to death. A drunk driving-related death is typically involuntary manslaughter. Note that the "unintentional" element here refers to the lack of intent to bring about the death. All three crimes above feature an intent to kill, whereas involuntary manslaughter is "unintentional," because the killer did not intend for a death to result from their intentional actions. If there is a presence of intention it relates only to the intent to cause a violent act which brings about the death, but not an intention to bring about the death itself.[9]
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    Re: Michael Dunn retrial verdict predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    The jury wasn't deadlocked on whether Dunn was guilty of murder. They were deadlocked over whether he was guilty of 1st degree murder. There's a difference.

    From what the two jurors that have come out have said, it appears the state over charged with 1st degree murder and that was what the deadlock in the jury was over given the evidence and the way the law is written.

    If the state charges 2nd degree murder, they may get a conviction this time.
    see i have a question about this though

    while i hope you are 100% right why didnt they just use thier ability to convict him of M2 or M3(manslaughter) then?
    they were allowed to do that

    was it a matter of people being sticklers for m1 and refused to drop to M2/M3 (which would be dumb and they should be punched lol)

    or was it a matter of somebody actually thought he was innocent, which would be even worse and you would probably find that person to be legally, mentally retarded.

    It just makes me curious because i dont understand how they were hung unless somebody thought he was innocent of all murder or sticklers that wouldn't step thier charges down.

    I mean they came down on the attempted murder charges and all agreed for attempted M2 a lesser charge why not the murder
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    Re: Michael Dunn retrial verdict predictions

    The man is in prison for the rest of his life...in my opinion rightly so. Likely, the prosecution will avoid a 1st degree charge, and get a 2nd degree quite easily....the man has pretty much given them all they need.

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    Re: Michael Dunn retrial verdict predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    see i have a question about this though

    while i hope you are 100% right why didnt they just use thier ability to convict him of M2 or M3(manslaughter) then?
    they were allowed to do that

    was it a matter of people being sticklers for m1 and refused to drop to M2/M3 (which would be dumb and they should be punched lol)

    or was it a matter of somebody actually thought he was innocent, which would be even worse and you would probably find that person to be legally, mentally retarded.

    It just makes me curious because i dont understand how they were hung unless somebody thought he was innocent of all murder or sticklers that wouldn't step thier charges down.

    I mean they came down on the attempted murder charges and all agreed for attempted M2 a lesser charge why not the murder
    The DA has to ask for and the Judge has to allow "lesser included charges" and from what I've heard, this wasn't done.

    If a lesser included was available, I'm sure the jury would have convicted him.

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    Re: Michael Dunn retrial verdict predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    1.)The DA has to ask for and the Judge has to allow "lesser included charges" and from what I've heard, this wasn't done.

    2.)If a lesser included was available, I'm sure the jury would have convicted him.
    1.) no this was definitely done according to the info/links/articles posted in the other Dunn threads they were allowed to come back with M1, M2 and manslaughter. Unless they all had it wrong.

    2.) i tend to agree but it didnt happen and while i know they were different charges so its no a blanket the attempted M2 charges were even read and followed by the words "a lesser charge"


    but now you have me curious ill have to llok for info saying otherwise because the earlier info definitely said they had the option.
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    Re: Michael Dunn retrial verdict predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    The jury wasn't deadlocked on whether Dunn was guilty of murder. They were deadlocked over whether he was guilty of 1st degree murder. There's a difference.

    From what the two jurors that have come out have said, it appears the state over charged with 1st degree murder and that was what the deadlock in the jury was over given the evidence and the way the law is written.

    If the state charges 2nd degree murder, they may get a conviction this time.
    This. I do not understand why the state went for first-degree murder. I think second-degree murder is a slam-dunk conviction.

    If they acquit him on 1st-degree and do not convict him on second, then that will be twice that the state of Florida's legal system will have come across as an international embarrassment (yes, international).
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    Re: Michael Dunn retrial verdict predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    The DA has to ask for and the Judge has to allow "lesser included charges" and from what I've heard, this wasn't done.

    If a lesser included was available, I'm sure the jury would have convicted him.
    According to CBS News, lesser charges were included:

    Jurors could not agree on a verdict on the first-degree murder charge Dunn faced in the death of Davis, 17. The panel could have also opted to convict Dunn of lesser included offenses, including second-degree murder and manslaughter, in Davis’ death.
    "Loud Music" Murder Case: Did prosecutors "overcharge" Michael Dunn in killing of Florida teen Jordan Davis? - CBS News

    If that's true, then I'm thinking two (or was it three) jurists weren't convinced he wasn't telling the truth about thinking that he saw a gun.

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