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    Re: Michael Dunn retrial verdict predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    If their reasoning that he was innocent or M1 was self defense believing the shot gun bit, then arguing over M2 and manslaughter is irrelevant. ???

    I agree with Davis' mom. Stand Your Ground makes some gun owner cocky. It emboldens them to be aggressive often initiating conflict and then if things escalate they feel safe in shooting thinking the law is on their side.
    And they can lie to high heavens under oath before the judge and jury as long as they uttered the magic word "I was in fear of my life or great bodily harm" then anything he said about the victim is kosher and believable. And the shooter can make whatever accusations about the deceased victim, however far fetched, such as victim threatening him with a star-wars energized particle blaster and the prosecutor has the burden to prove the negative. If there is no evidence of such weapon found then to some stupid jurors it proved the shooter's account correct. After all some gullible jurors would go by the letter of the law that it is the killer's reasonable belief that matter and prosecution has to prove he didn't reasonably belief his life was in danger. How the heck can anybody prove his belief (short of showing that the victims had no weapon and they were fleeing for their life from hell fire coming from behind) without getting into his mind?
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    Re: Michael Dunn retrial verdict predictions

    Whether Dunn would be found guilty or not guilty or hung in the retrial very much depends on jury selection. Some people just will not find the defendant guilty no matter how much concrete proof you put before them for whatever personal reason they harbored inside them. They have the law on their side and say if Michael Dunn said he reasonable belief his life was being threatened that's all they need to acquit no matter what evidence, fact or proof there are that laid before them.

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    Re: Michael Dunn retrial verdict predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    Maybe we can prevent someone else from dying with the next trial.
    He's going to jail for a very long time as it is. He seriously doubt he will be a threat to society if he lives long enough to get out of prison, even without the next trial.

    But, I agree.

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    Re: Michael Dunn retrial verdict predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    If their reasoning that he was innocent or M1 was self defense believing the shot gun bit, then arguing over M2 and manslaughter is irrelevant. ???

    I agree with Davis' mom. Stand Your Ground makes some gun owner cocky. It emboldens them to be aggressive often initiating conflict and then if things escalate they feel safe in shooting thinking the law is on their side.
    SYG isn't the problem. A crazy, evil person will kill either way.

    Criminals don't give a crap about SYG.

    And this case, was not about SYG. It was about "imminent fear" and the right to defend yourself, period.

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    Re: Michael Dunn retrial verdict predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    at his age thats probably already true
    Agreed
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    at this point i want justice for the victims family
    If that helps them get closure, I agree.
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    and a message sent to any nutballs like him
    And that's also the reason we have laws and prisons. Though recidivism puts a question on the effectiveness of prison as a deterrent.

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    Re: Michael Dunn retrial verdict predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    SYG isn't the problem. A crazy, evil person will kill either way.

    Criminals don't give a crap about SYG.

    And this case, was not about SYG. It was about "imminent fear" and the right to defend yourself, period.
    Where do you draw the line for abuse? Anyone can say "imminent fear" and shoot anyone they want. At some point, especially outside of your home, there has to be at least some common sense duty to retreat and some commonsense duty NOT to instigate a situation that may escalate.

    There has to be some middle ground. Someone should not be able to get off 10 rounds, hit an occupied vehicle 9 times and not IMMEDIATLY report it to the police.

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    Re: Michael Dunn retrial verdict predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    Where do you draw the line for abuse? Anyone can say "imminent fear" and shoot anyone they want.
    Nowhere in any law, including SYG, is there a warrant that allows anyone to shoot anyone they want, for ANY reason.
    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    At some point, especially outside of your home, there has to be at least some common sense duty to retreat and some commonsense duty NOT to instigate a situation that may escalate.
    That's too simple. When you're in imminent fear, noting is simple. There has always been, and still is a duty to attempt to retreat, if possible, even in SYG. Most SYG laws, like the one in my state, the reference to duty to retreat states that you still have the duty except upon imminent threats to life. In other words, if a guy has gun pointed at you, you don't have to turn around and let him shoot you in the back of your head, just because some law said you have a duty to retreat.

    Instigate a situation that may escalate? SYG doesn't cover the instigator.

    SYG only gives you the rights back that have been the right of everyone in this country since day one but have been limited in the past; protect your life and/or those of your loved ones with deadly force if required.

    As I said before:

    SYG isn't the problem. A crazy, evil person will kill either way.

    Criminals don't give a crap about SYG.
    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    There has to be some middle ground.
    there is no middle ground when your life is in danger.

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    Someone should not be able to get off 10 rounds, hit an occupied vehicle 9 times and not IMMEDIATLY report it to the police.
    Agreed. There is, it's called the law, and that's why this stupid evil bastard is going to jail. But again, criminals don't give a crap about laws, or they wouldn't be criminals.

    If we repeal all SYG laws, that will not prevent criminals from doing a drive-by, firing guns into houses or cars or groups of people on the street. It happens every day, and happened before any of the Castle Doctrine Laws (what people inaccurately call Stand Your Ground laws) were expanded to include areas outside your own house.

    Law abiding citizens, are not the problem, and never have been.

    Blame the people, not the law.

    The Castle Doctrine Laws are in place to allow US citizens to protect their lives and those of their families from imminent threats to life by criminals.

    What this guy did was not influenced by any law, but rather by him being an ignorant evil hateful person that misused a weapon and took a reportedly innocent life.

    We have to have laws that allow people to protect themselves. Because the government cannot.

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    Re: Michael Dunn retrial verdict predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    Nowhere in any law, including SYG, is there a warrant that allows anyone to shoot anyone they want, for ANY reason
    Of course it doesn't.

    But the fact that someone can a day later be tracked down and come up with the excuse is just preposterous.

    I am looking for common sense. There is plenty of room for common ground, but DUnn's behavior is not the common ground.

    If you discharged your weapon because of an imminent threat situation, it should be obligatory to report immediately to the police. Why all the jurors didn't see this as a "yeah, right" situation is beyond me.

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    Re: Michael Dunn retrial verdict predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    Of course it doesn't.

    But the fact that someone can a day later be tracked down and come up with the excuse is just preposterous.

    I am looking for common sense. There is plenty of room for common ground, but DUnn's behavior is not the common ground.

    If you discharged your weapon because of an imminent threat situation, it should be obligatory to report immediately to the police. Why all the jurors didn't see this as a "yeah, right" situation is beyond me.
    As I've said in this thread; I wasn't in the jury, didn't watch the trial and have no idea what the jurors were allowed to see and hear by the judge and what they weren't... and since I've been a juror on two murder trials, I have a hard time blaming the jurors for a verdict I don't agree with.

    The prosecutor should be blamed if I think there should have been a conviction and I blame the defense attorney if I thought it should have been an acquittal.

    What I do know about this case tells me the guy is guilty as hell. But I refuse to second guess or blame the jury or a law that had nothing to do with the case.

    IMO, There's no way in hell anyone that shoots at someone, or shoots into an occupied car, or actually shoots someone wouldn't call the police and wait for them to arrive. Law abiding citizens don't discharge a firearm toward another person and then run away.

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