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    Re: Michael Dunn retrial verdict predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    From what I understand the jury did have a choice between muder-1, murder-2 or manslaughter.
    AgentJ let me know that. I only know that the latest juror to come forward, stated that they argued over whether he was guilty of M1 or not.

    Maybe that means that they deadlocked over M1 or M2 or something similar, and not whether he was guilty; rather what he was actually guilty of.

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    Re: Michael Dunn retrial verdict predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    From what I understand the jury did have a choice between muder-1, murder-2 or manslaughter.
    3 jurors actually bought his story.

    Every action that he took (or didn't take) that we have evidence for shows that he was just trying to save his skin.

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    Re: Michael Dunn retrial verdict predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    From what little I know, I can't see how he isn't guilty of at least manslaughter and potentially M2.

    The guy lost his temper (which is at the very least an understatement), and acted totally unacceptable to our societal norms, which is exactly why we have laws in the first place; to punish those that act in an unacceptable way to our society.
    agreed
    i watched every minute of the trial and read all the evidence also and additional character stuff

    what does it for me is that there was ZERO corroborated evidence of a gun or threats, ZERO
    he also never told his own girlfriend about a gun and never mentioned it to the police until the second discussion

    he left the scene, drove to this hotel, walked his dog, called and ordered pizza, watched a movie and went to sleep. In the morning he saw on the news he killed a kid, he packed and drove 2.5 hours home and never called police.


    this is just teo of the biggest things, on the stand (which i cant believe he took) he was proven to be a liar and his credibility was shot to hell
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    Re: Michael Dunn retrial verdict predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    There's a bigger concern that simply putting Dunn away for life. A strong message needs to be sent to irresponsible gun users that makes it clear that if you feel confident to instigate conflict because you have a loaded gun in your posssion, then things escalate and you react by being trigger happy, the law is not on your side.
    Exactly.

    And frankly, if one does use a weapon in such a manner, there should be something written into the law that it is only applicable if you report it immediately . A reasonable person would anyway. It would allow for immediate collection and retrieval of corroborating evidence and witness statements.

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    Re: Michael Dunn retrial verdict predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    agreed
    i watched every minute of the trial and read all the evidence also and additional character stuff

    what does it for me is that there was ZERO corroborated evidence of a gun or threats, ZERO
    he also never told his own girlfriend about a gun and never mentioned it to the police until the second discussion

    he left the scene, drove to this hotel, walked his dog, called and ordered pizza, watched a movie and went to sleep. In the morning he saw on the news he killed a kid, he packed and drove 2.5 hours home and never called police.


    this is just teo of the biggest things, on the stand (which i cant believe he took) he was proven to be a liar and his credibility was shot to hell
    Evil comes in many forms. This particular evil apparition will be off the streets for a long time, even with just the current guilty verdicts. Maybe we can get him off the streets permanently with the next trial.

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    Re: Michael Dunn retrial verdict predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    Evil comes in many forms. This particular evil apparition will be off the streets for a long time, even with just the current guilty verdicts. Maybe we can get him off the streets permanently with the next trial.
    Maybe we can prevent someone else from dying with the next trial.

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    Re: Michael Dunn retrial verdict predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    AgentJ let me know that. I only know that the latest juror to come forward, stated that they argued over whether he was guilty of M1 or not.

    Maybe that means that they deadlocked over M1 or M2 or something similar, and not whether he was guilty; rather what he was actually guilty of.
    If their reasoning that he was innocent or M1 was self defense believing the shot gun bit, then arguing over M2 and manslaughter is irrelevant. ???

    I agree with Davis' mom. Stand Your Ground makes some gun owner cocky. It emboldens them to be aggressive often initiating conflict and then if things escalate they feel safe in shooting thinking the law is on their side.
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    Re: Michael Dunn retrial verdict predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    According to CBS News, lesser charges were included:



    "Loud Music" Murder Case: Did prosecutors "overcharge" Michael Dunn in killing of Florida teen Jordan Davis? - CBS News

    If that's true, then I'm thinking two (or was it three) jurists weren't convinced he wasn't telling the truth about thinking that he saw a gun.
    Sometimes, it's hard to understand just why jurors believe the things that they do believe. I think you're right that a couple of them thought there might have been a shotgun.

    We've had members of DP who seem to have believed the same thing.

    That said, it looks to me like second degree murder.

    Edit: I went back and voted in the poll. Interesting. There are 11 guilty and 1 not guilty votes. Exactly what would be needed for another hung jury.
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    Re: Michael Dunn retrial verdict predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    Exactly.

    And frankly, if one does use a weapon in such a manner, there should be something written into the law that it is only applicable if you report it immediately . A reasonable person would anyway. It would allow for immediate collection and retrieval of corroborating evidence and witness statements.
    At a minimum Dunn should have gotten manslaughter because he was getting boozed up on hard liquor all afternoon. He arrived at the crime scene by drunk driving.
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    Re: Michael Dunn retrial verdict predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    Evil comes in many forms. This particular evil apparition will be off the streets for a long time, even with just the current guilty verdicts. Maybe we can get him off the streets permanently with the next trial.
    at his age thats probably already true

    at this point i want justice for the victims family and a message sent to any nutballs like him
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