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    Re: Michael Dunn retrial verdict predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    The jury wasn't deadlocked on whether Dunn was guilty of murder. They were deadlocked over whether he was guilty of 1st degree murder. There's a difference.
    Ya, what do jurors 4 and 8 know?

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    Re: Michael Dunn retrial verdict predictions

    How are they going to find a jury?

    Hopefully they will go for 2nd degree murder and be done with this crap.

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    Re: Michael Dunn retrial verdict predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    1.) no this was definitely done according to the info/links/articles posted in the other Dunn threads they were allowed to come back with M1, M2 and manslaughter. Unless they all had it wrong.

    2.) i tend to agree but it didnt happen and while i know they were different charges so its no a blanket the attempted M2 charges were even read and followed by the words "a lesser charge"


    but now you have me curious ill have to llok for info saying otherwise because the earlier info definitely said they had the option.
    I haven't seen everything regarding this case, only certain news stories and both of the juror interviews, so I really don't know as much about this case as you obviously do.

    What little bit I know about this case and the fact that I have been a juror on two murder trials that I was the foreman on both (yeah, lucky me), I can understand why the jurors had such a hard time.

    The law is very particular as to what each count really means and how the jury must weigh each element of the law. For the average person, it can be very confusing. Arguments among jurors are mostly over what the law says and not whether the person did the act. In other words, in a case like this the jury can want to convict the offender but be held back by the law and/or especially the damned jury instructions from the judge.

    In my two experiences, we had educated folks like myself, good ole boys and girls, and on both we had a grandma that, well... bless their hearts, just didn't get any of it.

    Second guessing what a jury does is, IMHO, not appropriate for me to do since I've been there and know it's one of the most mentally stressful events one could ever be involved in; a persons life and that of their family is on the line, and you better get it correct.

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    Re: Michael Dunn retrial verdict predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    This. I do not understand why the state went for first-degree murder. I think second-degree murder is a slam-dunk conviction.

    If they acquit him on 1st-degree and do not convict him on second, then that will be twice that the state of Florida's legal system will have come across as an international embarrassment (yes, international).
    The state charges what they feel they can prove. In this case as well as the other internationally known case (that shall remain unnamed) the State of Florida over reached big time, IMHO.

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    Re: Michael Dunn retrial verdict predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    I haven't seen everything regarding this case, only certain news stories and both of the juror interviews, so I really don't know as much about this case as you obviously do.

    What little bit I know about this case and the fact that I have been a juror on two murder trials that I was the foreman on both (yeah, lucky me), I can understand why the jurors had such a hard time.

    The law is very particular as to what each count really means and how the jury must weigh each element of the law. For the average person, it can be very confusing. Arguments among jurors are mostly over what the law says and not whether the person did the act. In other words, in a case like this the jury can want to convict the offender but be held back by the law and/or especially the damned jury instructions from the judge.

    In my two experiences, we had educated folks like myself, good ole boys and girls, and on both we had a grandma that, well... bless their hearts, just didn't get any of it.

    Second guessing what a jury does is, IMHO, not appropriate for me to do since I've been there and know it's one of the most mentally stressful events one could ever be involved in; a persons life and that of their family is on the line, and you better get it correct.
    I agree with the bolded 100%

    ive read and listened to the state and a handful of other law professionals explain how M1 can factually apply in this case but i freely admit i couldnt see the connection that they all made

    I do agree they better get it right though

    personally though if they were allowed to rule M1, M2 or M3 i honestly dont see how they didnt, this is where my curiosity come in the most. I want to know if a person thought Dunn was innocent, even though there was ZERO corroborating evidence that supports that or if it was sticklers that simply woulnd drop thier higher charges to lesser charges to match others.

    i already reconfirmed they could rule on m2 and m3 but im looking now to see if theres any solid answers on what happen

    anyway in regards to the thread if the second trail goes anythign like the first i think they will get a murder charge, id guess M2 but ill take manslaughter

    M1 imo seems far fetched
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    Re: Michael Dunn retrial verdict predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    According to CBS News, lesser charges were included:



    "Loud Music" Murder Case: Did prosecutors "overcharge" Michael Dunn in killing of Florida teen Jordan Davis? - CBS News

    If that's true, then I'm thinking two (or was it three) jurists weren't convinced he wasn't telling the truth about thinking that he saw a gun.
    That's a problem with jury trials. You get 6 to 12 people that all hear things differently, and when they get back in the jury room have to convince themselves and the others of what they think they heard as evidence. Some people are more apt to believe a police officer's testimony, for example, and others have a hard time believing any thing a cop says. Same thing for witnesses. Some jurors, for whatever reason, will believe certain testimony while others think it was a lie.

    Each juror brings their own life experiences as well to the jury room, which also plays a large influence into what they believe and what they will not believe.

    In a criminal case, especially a murder case, the term "beyond a reasonable doubt" in my own personal experience with cases like this, plays a HUGE role in the jury deliberations. Each juror makes their case to the other jurors to one level or another, and then makes their own decision as to whether all reasonable doubt has been eliminated.

    If not, you get what we had here, a hung jury.

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    Re: Michael Dunn retrial verdict predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    Ya, what do jurors 4 and 8 know?
    They know what we don't. What happened in the jury room during deliberations.

    They also have a unique perspective on the case that we can never have, since they were not privy to all the discussions that took place on TV and in the court room when they were not allowed to be there. They only knew, at that time, what the judge allowed them to hear and see. Nothing more.

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    Re: Michael Dunn retrial verdict predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by tecoyah View Post
    The man is in prison for the rest of his life...in my opinion rightly so. Likely, the prosecution will avoid a 1st degree charge, and get a 2nd degree quite easily....the man has pretty much given them all they need.
    There's a bigger concern that simply putting Dunn away for life. A strong message needs to be sent to irresponsible gun users that makes it clear that if you feel confident to instigate conflict because you have a loaded gun in your posssion, then things escalate and you react by being trigger happy, the law is not on your side.
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    Re: Michael Dunn retrial verdict predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    The DA has to ask for and the Judge has to allow "lesser included charges" and from what I've heard, this wasn't done.

    If a lesser included was available, I'm sure the jury would have convicted him.
    From what I understand the jury did have a choice between muder-1, murder-2 or manslaughter.
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    Re: Michael Dunn retrial verdict predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    I agree with the bolded 100%

    ive read and listened to the state and a handful of other law professionals explain how M1 can factually apply in this case but i freely admit i couldnt see the connection that they all made

    I do agree they better get it right though

    personally though if they were allowed to rule M1, M2 or M3 i honestly dont see how they didnt, this is where my curiosity come in the most. I want to know if a person thought Dunn was innocent, even though there was ZERO corroborating evidence that supports that or if it was sticklers that simply woulnd drop thier higher charges to lesser charges to match others.

    i already reconfirmed they could rule on m2 and m3 but im looking now to see if theres any solid answers on what happen

    anyway in regards to the thread if the second trail goes anythign like the first i think they will get a murder charge, id guess M2 but ill take manslaughter

    M1 imo seems far fetched
    From what little I know, I can't see how he isn't guilty of at least manslaughter and potentially M2.

    The guy lost his temper (which is at the very least an understatement), and acted totally unacceptable to our societal norms, which is exactly why we have laws in the first place; to punish those that act in an unacceptable way to our society.

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