How are they going to find a jury?
Hopefully they will go for 2nd degree murder and be done with this crap.
What little bit I know about this case and the fact that I have been a juror on two murder trials that I was the foreman on both (yeah, lucky me), I can understand why the jurors had such a hard time.
The law is very particular as to what each count really means and how the jury must weigh each element of the law. For the average person, it can be very confusing. Arguments among jurors are mostly over what the law says and not whether the person did the act. In other words, in a case like this the jury can want to convict the offender but be held back by the law and/or especially the damned jury instructions from the judge.
In my two experiences, we had educated folks like myself, good ole boys and girls, and on both we had a grandma that, well... bless their hearts, just didn't get any of it.
Second guessing what a jury does is, IMHO, not appropriate for me to do since I've been there and know it's one of the most mentally stressful events one could ever be involved in; a persons life and that of their family is on the line, and you better get it correct.
ive read and listened to the state and a handful of other law professionals explain how M1 can factually apply in this case but i freely admit i couldnt see the connection that they all made
I do agree they better get it right though
personally though if they were allowed to rule M1, M2 or M3 i honestly dont see how they didnt, this is where my curiosity come in the most. I want to know if a person thought Dunn was innocent, even though there was ZERO corroborating evidence that supports that or if it was sticklers that simply woulnd drop thier higher charges to lesser charges to match others.
i already reconfirmed they could rule on m2 and m3 but im looking now to see if theres any solid answers on what happen
anyway in regards to the thread if the second trail goes anythign like the first i think they will get a murder charge, id guess M2 but ill take manslaughter
M1 imo seems far fetched
Each juror brings their own life experiences as well to the jury room, which also plays a large influence into what they believe and what they will not believe.
In a criminal case, especially a murder case, the term "beyond a reasonable doubt" in my own personal experience with cases like this, plays a HUGE role in the jury deliberations. Each juror makes their case to the other jurors to one level or another, and then makes their own decision as to whether all reasonable doubt has been eliminated.
If not, you get what we had here, a hung jury.
They also have a unique perspective on the case that we can never have, since they were not privy to all the discussions that took place on TV and in the court room when they were not allowed to be there. They only knew, at that time, what the judge allowed them to hear and see. Nothing more.
Having opinions all over the map is a good sign of a person capable of autonomous thinking. Felix -2011
The guy lost his temper (which is at the very least an understatement), and acted totally unacceptable to our societal norms, which is exactly why we have laws in the first place; to punish those that act in an unacceptable way to our society.