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Should German WWII vets be arrested?[W:260]

Should German WWII vets still be arrested?

  • Yes

    Votes: 15 22.1%
  • No

    Votes: 29 42.6%
  • It depends

    Votes: 24 35.3%

  • Total voters
    68
Re: Should German WWII vets be arrested?

Eh? Since when did Jews/Gypsies/Homosexuals get mass executed on the streets in Nazi Germany? Beaten up, discriminated the hell out off.. treated like trash sure.. but mass executions? No.

It seems to me you forget how people in general thought of Jews world wide before WW2.. How Germany treated its Jews was at first not much different than how the US treated its Jews. Now Germany went further and started actually killing them off during the war, but that was in the concentration camps not on the streets of Germany.


Anyone who tries to compare how Jews were treated in the USA and how they were treated in Germany is outright lying to the extreme. There is no comparison whatsoever.

It also is a lie declaring Jews were only murdered in concentration camps. I already posted a link to that.
 
Re: Should German WWII vets be arrested?

Those claiming no one knew about the total persecution of the Jews or claim that and murder of Jews only happened in concentration camps are another forum of holocaust deniers, no different than if someone declared people in the South didn't know slaves were tortured, beaten and murdered. Its a lie. An absolute lie.

However it is true this did not just happen in Germany but as German defeated European countries it happened in many others with the people there also participating.
 
Re: Should German WWII vets be arrested?

It seems to me you forget how people in general thought of Jews world wide before WW2.

and based upon your track record of postings on the subject, it is obvious that some things never change.
 
Re: Should German WWII vets be arrested?

Anyone who tries to compare how Jews were treated in the USA and how they were treated in Germany is outright lying to the extreme. There is no comparison whatsoever.

So Jews being barred from public office, schools, jobs and whole areas of the US was what.. an ups? Never happened?

It also is a lie declaring Jews were only murdered in concentration camps. I already posted a link to that.

Never said that Jews were not murdered outside concentration camps. You said that the holocaust happened outside the camps as well.. that is not true. German citizens were not treated to mass gassings and mass executions of Jews on their streets... and that was the basics of the holocaust... or dont you agree with that either?

Discrimination against Jews was not the holocaust, since discrimination against Jews happened before Hitler got to power and was world wide.
 
Re: Should German WWII vets be arrested?

and based upon your track record of postings on the subject, it is obvious that some things never change.

And you as usual ignore history when it does not fit into your narrow-minded view of the world. Guess you deny that Henry Ford was an American now too? That the Johnson-Reed immigration act was specifically designed to stop Jewish immigration? That universities had quotas for Jewish students? That American Jews actually changed their names to not be "too Jewish" so that they could get jobs? That signs with banning Jews, dogs, Irish, Mexicans and people of colour werewere common in many parts of the US in the early 1900s all the way up to WW2 and even long into the 1960s and 70s in certain areas?

Deny all you want, but facts are facts.
 
Re: Should German WWII vets be arrested?

Just as I understand why any mention of Israel is akin to pulling an emotional hair-trigger.

But okay. Dangled by the necky-necky in a gently playful manner. How's that?

Par for the course from you. Anti-Israeli bull****.
 
Re: Should German WWII vets be arrested?

And you as usual ignore history when it does not fit into your narrow-minded view of the world. Guess you deny that Henry Ford was an American now too? That the Johnson-Reed immigration act was specifically designed to stop Jewish immigration? That universities had quotas for Jewish students? That American Jews actually changed their names to not be "too Jewish" so that they could get jobs? That signs with banning Jews, dogs, Irish, Mexicans and people of colour werewere common in many parts of the US in the early 1900s all the way up to WW2 and even long into the 1960s and 70s in certain areas?

Deny all you want, but facts are facts.

Yeah, the difference is that most of us have evolved. There's a reason why we're the only country in the Western world without a miserable history of persecution of the Jews. Have you ever visited the city of York, where you can visit the spot where they gathered all the Jews together and burned them?
 
Re: Should German WWII vets be arrested?

And you as usual ignore history

I don't ignore your history of postings at all, Pete. I have been reading your benighted views on Jewish people for 8 1/2 years. It should probably go without saying that your reflexively anti American sentiments are quite the salient feature of your unintelligent postings as well.
 
Re: Should German WWII vets be arrested?

So Jews being barred from public office, schools, jobs and whole areas of the US was what.. an ups? Never happened?



Never said that Jews were not murdered outside concentration camps. You said that the holocaust happened outside the camps as well.. that is not true. German citizens were not treated to mass gassings and mass executions of Jews on their streets... and that was the basics of the holocaust... or dont you agree with that either?

Discrimination against Jews was not the holocaust, since discrimination against Jews happened before Hitler got to power and was world wide.

The mass execution of hundreds of thousands - perhaps as many as a million - Jews by the Einsatzgrupen in Russia was not a holocaust? God, you anti-Israeli Eurolefties live in an interesting world.
 
Re: Should German WWII vets be arrested?

Lying is never persuasive. I never posted they are all equally guilty.

Your claiming there not difference between German "citizen" set there (now you claim they were not even soldiers) and the people tortured and killed there were equally victims is sadistic and such a lie you have made it clear you are messages are holocaust apologistic, if not outright denier or supporting it.


Your most sick and lying message now? To compare Fort Bragg to Auschwitz. That is as dishonest and absurd as it gets.

But yes, if Fort Bragg was a center where over 1,000,000 blacks were starved, tortured, and mass murdered and you were stationed there and "just did your job" knowing this occurring? You should be prosecuted.

The world most make it known this level of genocide is intolerable, inexcusable, will always be punished and "just doing my job" or "following orders" is not acceptable.

Alright, I'm done with your trolling. I asked for evidence that German soldiers could opt out of assignments at any time they wanted and you refused, so now we know that like most things you say, it was completely pulled out of your ass.

And if you had reading comprehension skills, you'd realize my use of German citizen meant a German citizen getting drafted into the military. You do know what a draft is, right? Ah nevermind, you don't give a ****. Hang them all says Joko! At least you finally admitted that everyone at a military base, even those that had nothing to do with it, should be prosecuted. How ridiculous.
 
Re: Should German WWII vets be arrested?

That's a lie because the holocaust did not just happen in death camps. It happened in the streets in front of them. They saw what was done to Jews in their neighbors and in the streets and their businesses. The majority supported it. As for the specific message you responded to - the eradication of Jews from German? 100% of Germans saw and knew. You apologistic view would be no different than to claim white people in the South in the early 1900s didn't know how blacks were treated or prior to the Civil War didn't know how slaves were treated.

The holocaust did not just happen in death camps. The genocide did not just happen in death camps. Jews were murdered, individually, in dozens, in hundreds and more in the streets.

Actually nothing I wrote is a lie. The Holocaust did mostly happen outside Germany. True, most Jews were driven out of Germany about 1938, but by that time Hitler had complete power over everything in Germany. Could the Germans have protested? Yes, but that does not make them guilty of the holocaust, just makes them guilty of anti-semetism and complicit to the holocaust.

The majority of Germans might have wanted the Jews out of Germany, but there is no evidence whatsoever to suggest that the German people wanted the Holocaust. And especially the 100% accusation is completely ludicrous.

I do not apologize for the holocaust, that is yet another lie. And the Germans do not need to apologize for the Holocaust, the Germans from 1940 do share in the blame for the Holocaust but the Germans from now do not need to apologize for it, they did not commit or allow it to happen.

The holocaust was many varied, a lot of people were killed in the large death camps (around half the Jewish victims were murdered there), many died by mass shootings (about 1.5 million which mostly died in Russia) and the rest was murdered by working them to death etc. In Germany Jews were not being murdered in hundreds and more in the streets. The crimes of the nazi's were worse, they first isolated the Jews, brainwashed their soldiers, dehumanized the Jews and in the end murdered them. But you cannot blame every single German for that, but as a people the Germans from that time were complicit/partly guilty for the holocaust but you over simplify it incredibly and that is not honest of historically correct.
 
Re: Should German WWII vets be arrested?

Par for the course from you. Anti-Israeli bull****.
No, not par for the course at all really. I just don't happen to be a rabid, reactionary Zionist, as you are.
 
Re: Should German WWII vets be arrested?

Yeah, defining the execution of a convicted Nazi war criminal as just that makes me a reactionary Zionist. You, on the other hand, who would label such an execution a 'lynching' by Israel, are a reasonable person who tells it like it is.:lamo You fool nobody with that bull****.
 
Re: Should German WWII vets be arrested?

Yeah, defining the execution of a convicted Nazi war criminal as just that makes me a reactionary Zionist. You, on the other hand, who would label such an execution a 'lynching' by Israel, are a reasonable person who tells it like it is.:lamo You fool nobody with that bull****.
Why didn't you quote me? Were you hoping I wouldn't notice?

It makes as much sense as implying I'm an antisemite for daring to mention Tel Aviv in a thread about fugitive Nazi camp guards. Because it's such a stretch. You're a sub-par contributor, Wiggen. Emotionality and conditioned victimhood are all you have.
 
Re: Should German WWII vets be arrested?

Actually nothing I wrote is a lie. The Holocaust did mostly happen outside Germany. True, most Jews were driven out of Germany about 1938, but by that time Hitler had complete power over everything in Germany. Could the Germans have protested? Yes, but that does not make them guilty of the holocaust, just makes them guilty of anti-semetism and complicit to the holocaust.

"The majority of Germans might have wanted the Jews out of Germany, but there is no evidence whatsoever to suggest that the German people wanted the Holocaust. And especially the 100% accusation is completely ludicrous.

I do not apologize for the holocaust, that is yet another lie. And the Germans do not need to apologize for the Holocaust, the Germans from 1940 do share in the blame for the Holocaust but the Germans from now do not need to apologize for it, they did not commit or allow it to happen.

The holocaust was many varied, a lot of people were killed in the large death camps (around half the Jewish victims were murdered there), many died by mass shootings (about 1.5 million which mostly died in Russia) and the rest was murdered by working them to death etc. In Germany Jews were not being murdered in hundreds and more in the streets. The crimes of the nazi's were worse, they first isolated the Jews, brainwashed their soldiers, dehumanized the Jews and in the end murdered them. But you cannot blame every single German for that, but as a people the Germans from that time were complicit/partly guilty for the holocaust but you over simplify it incredibly and that is not honest of historically correct.


The German population knew about the holocaust.

The German population knew the holocaust was happening.


Germans knew of Holocaust horror about death camps | UK news | The Guardian


"The mass of ordinary Germans did know about the evolving terror of Hitler's Holocaust, according to a new research study. They knew concentration camps were full of Jewish people who were stigmatised as sub-human and race-defilers. They knew that these, like other groups and minorities, were being killed out of hand.

They knew that Adolf Hitler had repeatedly forecast the extermination of every Jew on German soil. They knew these details because they had read about them. They knew because the camps and the measures which led up to them had been prominently and proudly reported step by step in thousands of officially-inspired German media articles and posters according to the study, which is due to be published simultaneously in Britain and the US early next month and which was described as ground-breaking by Oxford University Press yesterday and already hailed by other historians.

The reports, in newspapers and magazines all over the country were phases in a public process of "desensitisation" which worked all too well, culminating in the killing of 6m Jews, says Robert Gellately. His book, Backing Hitler, is based on the first systematic analysis by a historian of surviving German newspaper and magazine archives since 1933, the year Hitler became chancellor. The survey took hundreds of hours and yielded dozens of folders of photocopies, many of them from the 24 main newspapers and magazines of the period."
 
Re: Should German WWII vets be arrested?

So Jews being barred from public office, schools, jobs and whole areas of the US was what.. an ups? Never happened?



Never said that Jews were not murdered outside concentration camps. You said that the holocaust happened outside the camps as well.. that is not true. German citizens were not treated to mass gassings and mass executions of Jews on their streets... and that was the basics of the holocaust... or dont you agree with that either?

Discrimination against Jews was not the holocaust, since discrimination against Jews happened before Hitler got to power and was world wide.


Job discrimination against Jews has no comparison to the level of discrimination against Jews in Germany and no comparison to the holocaust. NONE. In claiming they were the same you are now a holocaust denier and defender for how you trivialize to nothing. But, then, you're Danish, right?
 
Re: Should German WWII vets be arrested?

Alright, I'm done with your trolling. I asked for evidence that German soldiers could opt out of assignments at any time they wanted and you refused, so now we know that like most things you say, it was completely pulled out of your ass.

And if you had reading comprehension skills, you'd realize my use of German citizen meant a German citizen getting drafted into the military. You do know what a draft is, right? Ah nevermind, you don't give a ****. Hang them all says Joko! At least you finally admitted that everyone at a military base, even those that had nothing to do with it, should be prosecuted. How ridiculous.

I provided a link. You have never provided any proof of your claim. You have offered no proof of any German soldier there against his wises.

As for yourself you claim is if you were in the German military you would have served at a death camp and done whatever you were told to torture and murder anyone and everyone there.
 
Re: Should German WWII vets be arrested?

I provided a link. You have never provided any proof of your claim. You have offered no proof of any German soldier there against his wises.

As for yourself you claim is if you were in the German military you would have served at a death camp and done whatever you were told to torture and murder anyone and everyone there.

You've provided me no link. Don't lie.

And once again, you attack a strawman. I said anyone that actually hurt somebody should be tried, not just because they were stationed there. That's idiotic.
 
Re: Should German WWII vets be arrested?

Nor were Germans contrite after the war. Jews or their heirs were not returned their land, homes or businesses - which survivors could have returned to or sold for the sale's money if not. Germans wanted the Jews gone, the specific words in newspapers and posters was "eradicated."

There is not one person who doesn't know what it means when people are rounded up, their businesses, homes, land and all person property seized and taken, and put in cattle cars to be "exterminated" and that Jews were being "eradicated." It wasn't just that tens of thousands of German soldiers and civilians directly knew of death camp operations, it was in the newspapers and on posters.
 
Re: Should German WWII vets be arrested?

You've provided me no link. Don't lie.

And once again, you attack a strawman. I said anyone that actually hurt somebody should be tried, not just because they were stationed there. That's idiotic.

There is no truth or reality in your messages. None were just "stationed there" doing nothing while there.
 
Re: Should German WWII vets be arrested?

There is no truth or reality in your messages. None were just "stationed there" doing nothing while there.

So you're refusing for a 3rd time to post a link? Wow, that's embarrassing.
 
Re: Should German WWII vets be arrested?

Germans who were in the elite SS were not treated as prisoners of war, but as war criminals. The reason is because they were NOT compelled to be in the SS whatsoever. It was entirely volunteer and a position they had to pursue, considered prestigious. Nor was it unknown of the SS role and actions towards Jews and all the other acts against civilians.

War Crimes Enclosure No. 1 - the prison camp for German war criminals at Dachau

Not one German was required to serve and be part of the machinery of the death camps, of rounding up Jews or anyone else, nor any other atrocity. The prior link I provided documented any person could refuse to take any action against the Jews and there was not retaliation. Rather, they were simply treated as not capable of doing the job, the way you would not assign a person to overhaul aircraft motors who didn't know how to do so. It was understand and accepted that some German soldiers and some who joined the SS turned out not to have the strength - psychological strength and therefore lacked the skill - for such tasks.

This was established in testimony in war trials by both ranking officers and lower members of the SS. There are numerous counts of German soldiers "unfit' for such duties, meaning they would not, and not one was punished. Ever. They were simply reassigned elsewhere.

Among other things, when a person applied for and approved to be in the SS, which included proving he was not Jewish, among other things he was volunteering for was to be a Jew hunter. Being at the camps was voluntary and considered a prestigious assignment in the SS specifically because it was the ultimate act in the service of eradicating and exterminating Jews and other "subhumans."
 
Re: Should German WWII vets be arrested?

I can't help it if you wish to deny reality. Coercion is not a defense to murder, morally or legally.

I absolutely would have refused to carry out such orders, as any decent person would.

Would you? Even if it meant leaving behind family who could be suspect or persecuted or shot as you surely would have been? Or would the wiser course be to obey orders but do what you could to relieve the pain and suffering of those in the camps? What if Oscar Schindler had chosen to be a good Nazi and just shrug and/or look away instead of pretending to be an upstanding Nazi dignitary while quietly saving as many as he could? The many thousands of descendants of the "Schindler Jews" would certainly know how to answer that. And Schindler, a member of the Nazi party, is prominently memorialized as a humanitarian and great man in every Holocaust and Intolerance museum across the country.

Unless there is somebody to come forward and accuse those three German soldiers of committing atrocities and cruelty, I say the fact that they were assigned to the Jewish holding or extermination centers is not sufficient to condemn them now.
 
Re: Should German WWII vets be arrested?

So you're refusing for a 3rd time to post a link? Wow, that's embarrassing.

Who has never posted any link to anything you have declared is you.

People sometimes wonder how a society or an individual could ever involved in such sadistic acts against children, women, old people. They only have to read your messages to understand how many men are willing to do so.
 
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Who has never posted any link to anything you have declared is you.

People sometimes wonder how a society or an individual could ever involved in such sadistic acts against children, women, old people. They only have to read your messages to understand how many men are willing to do so.

4th refusal for a link.
 
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