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    Re: Should German WWII vets be arrested?

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post

    And your excuses are interesting.

    They speak volumes about you as a person, imo.
    It's hard to actually understand a person over the internet. If you knew me for real, you would not question my integrity.

    have you been in the military?

    Are you older than 40? just how much wisdom in life do you have?

    I've seen a lot over the years. I am not one to rush to judgement like you obviously are. I would suspect you are in your 20's. Am I wrong?

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    Re: Should German WWII vets be arrested?

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    Nonsensical minutia.

    Take it up with the war crimes tribunal.

    We are done here.
    What you want them brought to is not justice.

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    Re: Should German WWII vets be arrested?

    Quote Originally Posted by Robbie Loucks View Post
    At this point, we should just forgive and forget.
    Do you really understand the Holocaust and what was done to human beings? Never, ever forget and never forgive. This is not about war, this is not about soldiers fighting on a battlefront....this is unspeakable, this is so incredibly evil that to forget what happened would be a crime in itself, and to forgive would give free reign for it to happen again. Have you any idea of what was done to children? What was done during medical experiments? How can you say forgive and forget Mengele's experiments on twin children? The men who were guards in concentration camps were not warriors fighting to defend their country. They were men who supported the experimentation and extermination of concentration camp inmates. Please don't fool yourself into any kind of revisionist history...."Oh, the poor Germans and poor guards were just victims of Hitler and his henchmen". Hitler was in power because it was what the majority of Germans wanted and they KNEW what he stood for, what he said in his speeches. They KNEW and supported him anyway. Few things anger me more regarding history than the revisionist who, decades later, pretends that those who were complicit in atrocities were somehow victims of the system.

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    Re: Should German WWII vets be arrested?

    Quote Originally Posted by LadyMoonlight View Post
    Do you really understand the Holocaust and what was done to human beings? Never, ever forget and never forgive. This is not about war, this is not about soldiers fighting on a battlefront....this is unspeakable, this is so incredibly evil that to forget what happened would be a crime in itself, and to forgive would give free reign for it to happen again. Have you any idea of what was done to children? What was done during medical experiments? How can you say forgive and forget Mengele's experiments on twin children? The men who were guards in concentration camps were not warriors fighting to defend their country. They were men who supported the experimentation and extermination of concentration camp inmates. Please don't fool yourself into any kind of revisionist history...."Oh, the poor Germans and poor guards were just victims of Hitler and his henchmen". Hitler was in power because it was what the majority of Germans wanted and they KNEW what he stood for, what he said in his speeches. They KNEW and supported him anyway. Few things anger me more regarding history than the revisionist who, decades later, pretends that those who were complicit in atrocities were somehow victims of the system.
    Great post, imo.


    Forgive and forget...the Holocaust?!?!? Absolutely ridiculous.

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    Re: Should German WWII vets be arrested?

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    Great post, imo.


    Forgive and forget...the Holocaust?!?!? Absolutely ridiculous.


    While we are at it, why don't we just forgive and forget child molestation by priests/others.

    'Look, it happened SO long ago...let's just forgive and forget'.


    And let's just not prosecute murderers if they can get away with it for long enough.


    Why don't we put a new exemption in our laws...if it happened long enough ago, we won't bother to prosecute?

    We can call it 'the Forgive and Forget' Law.


    Wow...

    Do you feel like a God to believe all your assumptions are correct?

    What if they aren't?

    Unless you where there, and actually know as fact, why things happened as they did... Just who are you to judge? This sounds to me like the same sense of superiority that Hitler felt!

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    Re: Should German WWII vets be arrested?

    Quote Originally Posted by Voltaire X View Post
    Germany is STILL arresting WW2 vets because they were stationed at concentration camps.

    BBC News - Germany arrests three suspected Auschwitz guards

    Three men aged 88, 92 and 94 have been detained by German authorities on suspicion of being guards at the Nazi death camp at Auschwitz.

    The homes of a number of men were raided in three German states, months after prosecutors investigating Nazi-era war crimes announced they were recommending charges against 30 people.



    Is this fair? The youngest of the three would have been probably born in 1926, making him no older than 19 when the war ended. Additionally, it's not like these guys volunteered for the war, or even to be guards at Auschwitz. They were forced into it; almost every German male of military age was forced into fighting for the Third Reich. I don't think it's right for us to do this. It's ridiculous for a bunch of people lucky enough to be born in the post-war era to go back and persecute these people for things that happened 70 years ago, especially since these people couldn't have possibly hoped to stop anything. What would have happened if they refused to be guards at Auschwitz? They would have probably just been executed on the spot for refusing to obey orders.
    Think of it this way for a moment. The people lived a long life, while the masses of people they were accessories in murdering didn't. That has formed the attitude towards political responsibility of the country that saw millions of murders return to power or at least live happily ever after.

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    Re: Should German WWII vets be arrested?

    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    How can they be prosecuted if they were following a direct order from their commanding officer? Honestly, I understand that this was a horrible circumstance, but if these guys are brought to justice, in my opinion, anyway, it'd make more soldiers hesitant about signing up, if they can be prosecuted for following an order they were forced to do.
    All military orders still require a person to use their common sense and humanity before following, so it's not that simple. If a commanding officer orders you to slaughter prisoners or non-combatants that would be an illegal order, and you would have no defense against your participation unless you could prove duress, or some other compelling strategic reason that required you to follow that order. For example: a covert team is behind enemy lines and a combatant surrenders to them, but they have no way of securing that prisoner without compromising the mission and possibly costing lives. In that unfortunate circumstance you might have an out.

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    Re: Should German WWII vets be arrested?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    They would have been transferred most likely. Almost no German soldiers were 'ordered to kill' those who manned the firing trenches, the gas chambers, and the execution block were almost all there by choice. Whether Wehrmacht or SS.
    Sure, the misdeeds committed by the Germans while invading Russia were all done by people who were there by choice
    Former military man (and now babysitter of Donald Trump) John Kelly, is a big loud lying empty barrel!

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    Re: Should German WWII vets be arrested?

    Quote Originally Posted by Voltaire X View Post
    Germany is STILL arresting WW2 vets because they were stationed at concentration camps.

    BBC News - Germany arrests three suspected Auschwitz guards

    Three men aged 88, 92 and 94 have been detained by German authorities on suspicion of being guards at the Nazi death camp at Auschwitz.

    The homes of a number of men were raided in three German states, months after prosecutors investigating Nazi-era war crimes announced they were recommending charges against 30 people.



    Is this fair? The youngest of the three would have been probably born in 1926, making him no older than 19 when the war ended. Additionally, it's not like these guys volunteered for the war, or even to be guards at Auschwitz. They were forced into it; almost every German male of military age was forced into fighting for the Third Reich. I don't think it's right for us to do this. It's ridiculous for a bunch of people lucky enough to be born in the post-war era to go back and persecute these people for things that happened 70 years ago, especially since these people couldn't have possibly hoped to stop anything. What would have happened if they refused to be guards at Auschwitz? They would have probably just been executed on the spot for refusing to obey orders.
    This has nothing to do with justice, it's about political ass covering. They want to make it look like they're still doing something. Unless a direct crime can be attributed to them, not just crime by association, they should be left alone.

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    If they committed a crime, bring them to justice.

    I don't care if they are 18 or 88. Whether they are healthy or dying of cancer.

    Justice is blind...as it should be.


    Why not ask any surviving victims if they want these people brought to trial or not? If they say 'no'...I am fine with that.

    But if they say 'yes'...prosecute them to the absolute full extent of the law.
    Yes, but we're talking about someone whose sole crime was being stationed at Auschwitz. Imagine you get drafted and sent there, and all you do is man a guard post. If you try to refuse they'll shoot you on site. How can anyone be held responsible for being put in such a situation? The officers in charge making the calls should be prosecuted, the rest not.
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    Re: Should German WWII vets be arrested?

    Quote Originally Posted by Voltaire X View Post
    Germany is STILL arresting WW2 vets because they were stationed at concentration camps.

    BBC News - Germany arrests three suspected Auschwitz guards

    Three men aged 88, 92 and 94 have been detained by German authorities on suspicion of being guards at the Nazi death camp at Auschwitz.

    The homes of a number of men were raided in three German states, months after prosecutors investigating Nazi-era war crimes announced they were recommending charges against 30 people.



    Is this fair? The youngest of the three would have been probably born in 1926, making him no older than 19 when the war ended. Additionally, it's not like these guys volunteered for the war, or even to be guards at Auschwitz. They were forced into it; almost every German male of military age was forced into fighting for the Third Reich. I don't think it's right for us to do this. It's ridiculous for a bunch of people lucky enough to be born in the post-war era to go back and persecute these people for things that happened 70 years ago, especially since these people couldn't have possibly hoped to stop anything. What would have happened if they refused to be guards at Auschwitz? They would have probably just been executed on the spot for refusing to obey orders.



    I agree that it is often difficult to do the right, moral thing, but that's what most people on this planet have always done.

    Anyone who participated in the Holocaust should pay a price for that.

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