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    Re: Should German WWII vets be arrested?

    Quote Originally Posted by NoC_T View Post
    What if your executioners decided to punish your family for your disobedience, right after yourself?
    What if the people I was ordered to kill had family?

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    Re: Should German WWII vets be arrested?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    What if the people I was ordered to kill had family?
    Then you'd make that judgement call. Is the life of your own family more important to you than the life of a stranger's? You might be condemning your loved ones to fates much worse than quick deaths.

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    Re: Should German WWII vets be arrested?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    I would rather die a hero for refusing to carry out such orders, than be executed (or given life imprisonment) as a war criminal for going along with them.
    I respect that. At the same time, can you understand that not everyone will have that same courage?

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    Re: Should German WWII vets be arrested?

    Quote Originally Posted by NoC_T View Post
    Then you'd make that judgement call. Is the life of your own family more important to you than the life of a stranger's? You might be condemning your loved ones to fates much worse than quick deaths.
    I wouldn't judge one innocent life worth more than another. I would refuse to kill any of them, and if others chose to kill then that would be their own action. I am responsible for my own actions, not for the actions of others.

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    Re: Should German WWII vets be arrested?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    I wouldn't judge one innocent life worth more than another. I would refuse to kill any of them, and if others chose to kill then that would be their own action. I am responsible for my own actions, not for the actions of others.
    And so it is. I couldn't condemn my family to grisly deaths for the sake of a stranger I could make myself not think about.

    I bow to the greater man.

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    Re: Should German WWII vets be arrested?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    I respect that. At the same time, can you understand that not everyone will have that same courage?
    I can understand it. I can also understand why Dudley and Stephens murdered their crew mate, or why the "Manson girls" helped him with his killings. That doesn't mean that their actions should be legally permissible.

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    Re: Should German WWII vets be arrested?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    I wouldn't judge one innocent life worth more than another. I would refuse to kill any of them, and if others chose to kill then that would be their own action. I am responsible for my own actions, not for the actions of others.
    I would honestly like to think that I would do the same, but I'm not so sure.

    Do you charge a person for a war crime because they aren't as courageous as you want to believe you are? Can you honestly say that would be your actions if actually confronted with that situation?

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    Re: Should German WWII vets be arrested?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    I would honestly like to think that I would do the same, but I'm not so sure.

    Do you charge a person for a war crime because they aren't as courageous as you want to believe you are? Can you honestly say that would be your actions if actually confronted with that situation?
    If their lack of courage causes them to intentionally kill another person, then yes. Yes.

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    Re: Should German WWII vets be arrested?

    Quote Originally Posted by Proud South Korean View Post
    The situation is different. In the present soldiers have ways to report illegal orders even though there may be retribution. Back then there was only death.
    There are innumerable examples of SS and other concentration camp guards being transferred upon their own request. The SS and Camp apparatus did not want guards and witnesses who lacked commitment to the mission and would bring word back with them to Germany and the rest of the military.

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    Re: Should German WWII vets be arrested?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    No.

    If they didn't do what they were ordered to, what would have happened to them?

    I think what is on their conscience is punishment enough.

    I lived in Germany for 6 years, and was there when the wall fell. War is hell, and people did what they had to to survive.
    They would have been transferred most likely. Almost no German soldiers were 'ordered to kill' those who manned the firing trenches, the gas chambers, and the execution block were almost all there by choice. Whether Wehrmacht or SS.

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