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    Re: Should German WWII vets be arrested?

    No.

    If they didn't do what they were ordered to, what would have happened to them?

    I think what is on their conscience is punishment enough.

    I lived in Germany for 6 years, and was there when the wall fell. War is hell, and people did what they had to to survive.

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    Re: Should German WWII vets be arrested?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    No.

    If they didn't do what they were ordered to, what would have happened to them?

    I think what is on their conscience is punishment enough.

    I lived in Germany for 6 years, and was there when the wall fell. War is hell, and people did what they had to to survive.
    Coercion is no defense to murder. If you intentionally kill someone, it doesn't matter if you were acting under duress or even if your life was threatened by a third party, it's still murder.

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    Re: Should German WWII vets be arrested?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    Coercion is no defense to murder. If you intentionally kill someone, it doesn't matter if you were acting under duress or even if your life was threatened by a third party, it's still murder.
    Yes, it is. Can you imagine yourself in the position that if you didn't carry out your orders under the Hitler regime, how your death would be for not following orders?

    Would you be the "hero" that bucks the system, and dies doing so? Just to have someone else come behind you and carry out those orders?

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    Re: Should German WWII vets be arrested?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    Yes, it is. Can you imagine yourself in the position that if you didn't carry out your orders under the Hitler regime, how your death would be for not following orders?

    Would you be the "hero" that bucks the system, and dies doing so? Just to have someone else come behind you and carry out those orders?
    I can't help it if you wish to deny reality. Coercion is not a defense to murder, morally or legally.

    I absolutely would have refused to carry out such orders, as any decent person would.

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    Re: Should German WWII vets be arrested?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    I can't help it if you wish to deny reality. Coercion is not a defense to murder, morally or legally.

    I absolutely would have refused to carry out such orders, as any decent person would.
    Well, if so, you might be a better man than most of us.

    But tell me. When not carrying out such orders would lead to your execution under the military law of the time, and someone else would simply do what you refused to, what good is your protest other than effective suicide?

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    Re: Should German WWII vets be arrested?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    Well, if so, you might be a better man than most of us.

    But tell me. When not carrying out such orders would lead to your execution under the military law of the time, and someone else would simply do what you refused to, what good is your protest other than effective suicide?
    I would not be able to control the actions of others, but I would be able to control my own actions, and avoid being complicit in the atrocities. Plus, there is a small chance that others might summon the courage to refuse as a result of seeing a good example.

    Also (although this involves the benefit of hindsight), I would rather die a hero for refusing to carry out such orders, than be executed (or given life imprisonment) as a war criminal for going along with them.

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    Re: Should German WWII vets be arrested?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    I can't help it if you wish to deny reality. Coercion is not a defense to murder, morally or legally.

    I absolutely would have refused to carry out such orders, as any decent person would.
    What if your executioners decided to punish your family for your disobedience, right after yourself?

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    Re: Should German WWII vets be arrested?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    I would not be able to control the actions of others, but I would be able to control my own actions, and avoid being complicit in the atrocities. Plus, there is a small chance that others might summon the courage to refuse as a result of seeing a good example.
    Go for it if it's worth betting your life on.

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    Re: Should German WWII vets be arrested?

    Quote Originally Posted by NoC_T View Post
    What if your executioners decided to punish your family for your disobedience, right after yourself?
    That is often how totalitarian regimes operated.

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    Re: Should German WWII vets be arrested?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    That is often how totalitarian regimes operated.
    This is the Third Reich we're discussing, after all. Those guys weren't noted for the milk of human kindness.

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