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    Re: Should German WWII vets be arrested?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post


    Growing up in a society like that can do a lot to the mind of a young person, I think the time has passed to prosecute these guys not only because their advanced age but because their defense would obviously rest on saying if they failed to obey orders they'd be killed themselves and that growing up in that society they didn't have much hope to be normal folks. A prosecution would have an extremely hard time proving that was not the case, and these guys would likely die before the issue was settled.
    The prosecution would have no such burden. Coercion is no defense to murder, nor should it be. Also there is no statute of limitations on murder.

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    Or died like virtuous men, if desertion was impossible.

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    Re: Should German WWII vets be arrested?

    Quote Originally Posted by Voltaire X View Post
    Germany is STILL arresting WW2 vets because they were stationed at concentration camps.

    BBC News - Germany arrests three suspected Auschwitz guards

    Three men aged 88, 92 and 94 have been detained by German authorities on suspicion of being guards at the Nazi death camp at Auschwitz.

    The homes of a number of men were raided in three German states, months after prosecutors investigating Nazi-era war crimes announced they were recommending charges against 30 people.



    Is this fair? The youngest of the three would have been probably born in 1926, making him no older than 19 when the war ended. Additionally, it's not like these guys volunteered for the war, or even to be guards at Auschwitz. They were forced into it; almost every German male of military age was forced into fighting for the Third Reich. I don't think it's right for us to do this. It's ridiculous for a bunch of people lucky enough to be born in the post-war era to go back and persecute these people for things that happened 70 years ago, especially since these people couldn't have possibly hoped to stop anything. What would have happened if they refused to be guards at Auschwitz? They would have probably just been executed on the spot for refusing to obey orders.
    Certainly not the rank-and-file. If there are any found above a certain rank (don't know what that might be), I think they should be prosecuted.

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    Re: Should German WWII vets be arrested?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    The prosecution would have no such burden. Coercion is no defense to murder, nor should it be. Also there is no statute of limitations on murder.

    Or died like virtuous men, if desertion was impossible.
    Well actually it is, hypothetically if someone were to place a gun to your head and told you to kill someone else you could use that as a defense if you were ever prosecuted. The law does not require someone to die if they are being forced under threat of death to do something.

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    Re: Should German WWII vets be arrested?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Well actually it is, hypothetically if someone were to place a gun to your head and told you to kill someone else you could use that as a defense if you were ever prosecuted. The law does not require someone to die if they are being forced under threat of death to do something.
    No. Coercion is not a defense to murder, regardless of the degree of coercion (it's similar to the necessity defense, it's no defense to murder (see the case of Dudley and Stephens)). If you unlock a bank vault under coercion, that is a defense, but murder cannot be defended in court by arguing coercion, even if you were under threat of imminent death.

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    Re: Should German WWII vets be arrested?

    At this point, we should just forgive and forget.

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    Re: Should German WWII vets be arrested?

    Quote Originally Posted by Robbie Loucks View Post
    At this point, we should just forgive and forget.
    So there should be a statute of limitations for murder?

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    Re: Should German WWII vets be arrested?

    Quote Originally Posted by Voltaire X View Post
    Germany is STILL arresting WW2 vets because they were stationed at concentration camps.

    BBC News - Germany arrests three suspected Auschwitz guards

    Three men aged 88, 92 and 94 have been detained by German authorities on suspicion of being guards at the Nazi death camp at Auschwitz.

    The homes of a number of men were raided in three German states, months after prosecutors investigating Nazi-era war crimes announced they were recommending charges against 30 people.



    Is this fair? The youngest of the three would have been probably born in 1926, making him no older than 19 when the war ended. Additionally, it's not like these guys volunteered for the war, or even to be guards at Auschwitz. They were forced into it; almost every German male of military age was forced into fighting for the Third Reich. I don't think it's right for us to do this. It's ridiculous for a bunch of people lucky enough to be born in the post-war era to go back and persecute these people for things that happened 70 years ago, especially since these people couldn't have possibly hoped to stop anything. What would have happened if they refused to be guards at Auschwitz? They would have probably just been executed on the spot for refusing to obey orders.

    If they were just soldiers then no.If they were the people corralling the victims into the gas chambers or flipping the switch to release the gas then yes they should be arrested.
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    Re: Should German WWII vets be arrested?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    So there should be a statute of limitations for murder?
    Yes, I think so. It's not going to help society at all by placing these people in jail for something they hardly remember doing. If they are still leading fruitful lives after all these years, why take that away?

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    Re: Should German WWII vets be arrested?

    anonymous polls suck

    depends on the situation.



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    Re: Should German WWII vets be arrested?

    Quote Originally Posted by Robbie Loucks View Post
    Yes, I think so. It's not going to help society at all by placing these people in jail for something they hardly remember doing. If they are still leading fruitful lives after all these years, why take that away?
    Because it sends a message, that murder is one of the most serious crimes and that you can't get away with it by evading the authorities for a certain number of years.

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