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    Re: Should German WWII vets be arrested?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    where have you proven this? I haven't seen a link
    I even quoted it. Who has proven NOTHING are those of you claiming they didn't know, were forced there. Couldn't leave. The burden of proof is on YOU to make your claim.

    If you are part of a bank robbery team, you committed murder if someone murdered in the robbery. It is not the job of the government to prove you were forced to be there against your will and really didn't want to be in the robbery gang. If you made such a claim the proof would be on you.

    He was not an employee. He was SS.

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    Re: Should German WWII vets be arrested?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    Oh come on. If I'm gibbering its only because I pointed out your anti-Semitic post to you. It's hard to remain totally coherent when discussing issues like this with people who have -uh - hangups - about Jews. You're the one who talked about televised lynchings in Tel Aviv and then played innocent. Own it.
    Own what? Had I mentioned lynching with respect to any other nation, you'd take no issue with it.

    It's pretty weak that you'd level such an accusation, being that 1) there was no antisemitism and 2) that you'd claim to believe there was. Victim cards are tragic. Especially where they're utilised in order to compensate for lack of substance. But as I said, you're sub-par, so I'm hardly disappointed. In a politics-intensive real life setting, you'd be universally ignored.

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    Re: Should German WWII vets be arrested?

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Except for the U.S. Marines in the Pacific. They didn't take prisoners during battle. But neither did the Japanese.
    Anyone who committed war crimes should be punished.

    Anyone who ordered war crimes should be punished.

    Anyone who knew or reasonably should have known that his subordinates were carrying out war crimes and who failed to stop them should be punished.

    No excuses. No exceptions.

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    Re: Should German WWII vets be arrested?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    Anyone who committed war crimes should be punished.

    Anyone who ordered war crimes should be punished.

    Anyone who knew or reasonably should have known that his subordinates were carrying out war crimes and who failed to stop them should be punished.

    No excuses. No exceptions.
    In the real world, during war it's usually only the losing side that is held responsiable for their crimes.

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    Re: Should German WWII vets be arrested?

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    In the real world, during war it's usually only the losing side that is held responsiable for their crimes.
    Of course. I'm speaking in terms of what should be, not what is.

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    Re: Should German WWII vets be arrested?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    Of course. I'm speaking in terms of what should be, not what is.
    I have to concur.

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    Re: Should German WWII vets be arrested?

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    In the real world, during war it's usually only the losing side that is held responsiable for their crimes.
    Sadly true. The fact that we've prosecuted some soldiers for deliberately killing civilians is an exception to the rule...and such prosecutions are certainly not to be found outside the militaries of the West AFAIK.
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    Re: Should German WWII vets be arrested?

    These are not civilian criminal trials or even military criminal trials. These are war crimes trials. The rules are different and many issues already decided.

    It was unanimously ruled post WWII that the SS did not have the protections of the Geneva Convention nor those of it. Rather, it was a criminal organization specifically for the purpose of committing crimes against humanity (civilians) and war crimes. Joining the SS was not required. Rather it has to be sought after and if allowed in this brought benefits and status for which the person gained a known personal benefit by doing so.

    The actions of the SS in nearly every village, town, city, countryside, in POW camps, in concentration camps - unthinkable levels of routine and sadist torture, abuse, rape, theft and murder of babies, children, women, men, elderly - anyone and everyone - often for the purpose of to establish a total rein of terror and climate of terror to everyone was not only routine, but known. A person who sought after joining the SS was joining to obtain personal benefits and status specifically by willingness to commit any and all autrocities, and crimes against civilians and against humanity as a whole.

    Therefore, by virtue of being SS he was a co-conspirator on his own decision and for his own personal benefit. It is never necessary to show a co-conspirator is who pulled the trigger, turned on the gas or any other specific action. Rather, they were knowingly and willfully on their own decision and for their own personal benefit part of the mass murder and countable acts of criminality not allowed under any theory of rules of war. They had not become a part of and supporting person of that criminal organization except because they wanted to be. Therefore, "I was following orders" is not a defense when you volunteered and sought such jobs, nor is claiming someone else actually did the crimes a defense since you voluntarily were part of the overall operation.

    If they can prove he was SS, he is guilty. This question was extensively tried publicly with volumes of evidence concerning the SS and those who joined it, why they joined and what they knew they were join it to do as they knew the purpose of the SS and what it did. Its purpose was terror, murder and nothing of it within the rules of war or any tolerance within warfare.

    If they can show he was SS at the death camp, he is already adjudicated a co-conspirator of mass murder and horrific crimes against humanity. This is a long standing judgment already made decades ago. An SS member, regardless of age, is facing charges and accusations before what in way has been a never-ending military tribunal and never will end until the last SS officer is captured, tried or dead.
    Last edited by joko104; 02-25-14 at 06:38 PM.

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    Re: Should German WWII vets be arrested?[W:260]

    We should be careful how we judge other people because we may have to live a similar life.

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    Re: Should German WWII vets be arrested?[W:260]

    Quote Originally Posted by sneakosview View Post
    We should be careful how we judge other people because we may have to live a similar life.
    What if I unfairly judge a disabled, elderly, black lesbian?

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