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    Re: Should German WWII vets be arrested?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    That's a lie because the holocaust did not just happen in death camps. It happened in the streets in front of them. They saw what was done to Jews in their neighbors and in the streets and their businesses. The majority supported it. As for the specific message you responded to - the eradication of Jews from German? 100% of Germans saw and knew. You apologistic view would be no different than to claim white people in the South in the early 1900s didn't know how blacks were treated or prior to the Civil War didn't know how slaves were treated.

    The holocaust did not just happen in death camps. The genocide did not just happen in death camps. Jews were murdered, individually, in dozens, in hundreds and more in the streets.
    Actually nothing I wrote is a lie. The Holocaust did mostly happen outside Germany. True, most Jews were driven out of Germany about 1938, but by that time Hitler had complete power over everything in Germany. Could the Germans have protested? Yes, but that does not make them guilty of the holocaust, just makes them guilty of anti-semetism and complicit to the holocaust.

    The majority of Germans might have wanted the Jews out of Germany, but there is no evidence whatsoever to suggest that the German people wanted the Holocaust. And especially the 100% accusation is completely ludicrous.

    I do not apologize for the holocaust, that is yet another lie. And the Germans do not need to apologize for the Holocaust, the Germans from 1940 do share in the blame for the Holocaust but the Germans from now do not need to apologize for it, they did not commit or allow it to happen.

    The holocaust was many varied, a lot of people were killed in the large death camps (around half the Jewish victims were murdered there), many died by mass shootings (about 1.5 million which mostly died in Russia) and the rest was murdered by working them to death etc. In Germany Jews were not being murdered in hundreds and more in the streets. The crimes of the nazi's were worse, they first isolated the Jews, brainwashed their soldiers, dehumanized the Jews and in the end murdered them. But you cannot blame every single German for that, but as a people the Germans from that time were complicit/partly guilty for the holocaust but you over simplify it incredibly and that is not honest of historically correct.
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    Re: Should German WWII vets be arrested?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    Par for the course from you. Anti-Israeli bull****.
    No, not par for the course at all really. I just don't happen to be a rabid, reactionary Zionist, as you are.

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    Yeah, defining the execution of a convicted Nazi war criminal as just that makes me a reactionary Zionist. You, on the other hand, who would label such an execution a 'lynching' by Israel, are a reasonable person who tells it like it is. You fool nobody with that bull****.
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    Re: Should German WWII vets be arrested?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    Yeah, defining the execution of a convicted Nazi war criminal as just that makes me a reactionary Zionist. You, on the other hand, who would label such an execution a 'lynching' by Israel, are a reasonable person who tells it like it is. You fool nobody with that bull****.
    Why didn't you quote me? Were you hoping I wouldn't notice?

    It makes as much sense as implying I'm an antisemite for daring to mention Tel Aviv in a thread about fugitive Nazi camp guards. Because it's such a stretch. You're a sub-par contributor, Wiggen. Emotionality and conditioned victimhood are all you have.

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    Re: Should German WWII vets be arrested?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    Actually nothing I wrote is a lie. The Holocaust did mostly happen outside Germany. True, most Jews were driven out of Germany about 1938, but by that time Hitler had complete power over everything in Germany. Could the Germans have protested? Yes, but that does not make them guilty of the holocaust, just makes them guilty of anti-semetism and complicit to the holocaust.

    "The majority of Germans might have wanted the Jews out of Germany, but there is no evidence whatsoever to suggest that the German people wanted the Holocaust. And especially the 100% accusation is completely ludicrous.

    I do not apologize for the holocaust, that is yet another lie. And the Germans do not need to apologize for the Holocaust, the Germans from 1940 do share in the blame for the Holocaust but the Germans from now do not need to apologize for it, they did not commit or allow it to happen.

    The holocaust was many varied, a lot of people were killed in the large death camps (around half the Jewish victims were murdered there), many died by mass shootings (about 1.5 million which mostly died in Russia) and the rest was murdered by working them to death etc. In Germany Jews were not being murdered in hundreds and more in the streets. The crimes of the nazi's were worse, they first isolated the Jews, brainwashed their soldiers, dehumanized the Jews and in the end murdered them. But you cannot blame every single German for that, but as a people the Germans from that time were complicit/partly guilty for the holocaust but you over simplify it incredibly and that is not honest of historically correct.

    The German population knew about the holocaust.

    The German population knew the holocaust was happening.


    Germans knew of Holocaust horror about death camps | UK news | The Guardian


    "The mass of ordinary Germans did know about the evolving terror of Hitler's Holocaust, according to a new research study. They knew concentration camps were full of Jewish people who were stigmatised as sub-human and race-defilers. They knew that these, like other groups and minorities, were being killed out of hand.

    They knew that Adolf Hitler had repeatedly forecast the extermination of every Jew on German soil. They knew these details because they had read about them. They knew because the camps and the measures which led up to them had been prominently and proudly reported step by step in thousands of officially-inspired German media articles and posters according to the study, which is due to be published simultaneously in Britain and the US early next month and which was described as ground-breaking by Oxford University Press yesterday and already hailed by other historians.

    The reports, in newspapers and magazines all over the country were phases in a public process of "desensitisation" which worked all too well, culminating in the killing of 6m Jews, says Robert Gellately. His book, Backing Hitler, is based on the first systematic analysis by a historian of surviving German newspaper and magazine archives since 1933, the year Hitler became chancellor. The survey took hundreds of hours and yielded dozens of folders of photocopies, many of them from the 24 main newspapers and magazines of the period."

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    Re: Should German WWII vets be arrested?

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    So Jews being barred from public office, schools, jobs and whole areas of the US was what.. an ups? Never happened?



    Never said that Jews were not murdered outside concentration camps. You said that the holocaust happened outside the camps as well.. that is not true. German citizens were not treated to mass gassings and mass executions of Jews on their streets... and that was the basics of the holocaust... or dont you agree with that either?

    Discrimination against Jews was not the holocaust, since discrimination against Jews happened before Hitler got to power and was world wide.

    Job discrimination against Jews has no comparison to the level of discrimination against Jews in Germany and no comparison to the holocaust. NONE. In claiming they were the same you are now a holocaust denier and defender for how you trivialize to nothing. But, then, you're Danish, right?

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    Re: Should German WWII vets be arrested?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Alright, I'm done with your trolling. I asked for evidence that German soldiers could opt out of assignments at any time they wanted and you refused, so now we know that like most things you say, it was completely pulled out of your ass.

    And if you had reading comprehension skills, you'd realize my use of German citizen meant a German citizen getting drafted into the military. You do know what a draft is, right? Ah nevermind, you don't give a ****. Hang them all says Joko! At least you finally admitted that everyone at a military base, even those that had nothing to do with it, should be prosecuted. How ridiculous.
    I provided a link. You have never provided any proof of your claim. You have offered no proof of any German soldier there against his wises.

    As for yourself you claim is if you were in the German military you would have served at a death camp and done whatever you were told to torture and murder anyone and everyone there.

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    Re: Should German WWII vets be arrested?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    I provided a link. You have never provided any proof of your claim. You have offered no proof of any German soldier there against his wises.

    As for yourself you claim is if you were in the German military you would have served at a death camp and done whatever you were told to torture and murder anyone and everyone there.
    You've provided me no link. Don't lie.

    And once again, you attack a strawman. I said anyone that actually hurt somebody should be tried, not just because they were stationed there. That's idiotic.
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    Re: Should German WWII vets be arrested?

    Nor were Germans contrite after the war. Jews or their heirs were not returned their land, homes or businesses - which survivors could have returned to or sold for the sale's money if not. Germans wanted the Jews gone, the specific words in newspapers and posters was "eradicated."

    There is not one person who doesn't know what it means when people are rounded up, their businesses, homes, land and all person property seized and taken, and put in cattle cars to be "exterminated" and that Jews were being "eradicated." It wasn't just that tens of thousands of German soldiers and civilians directly knew of death camp operations, it was in the newspapers and on posters.

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    Re: Should German WWII vets be arrested?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    You've provided me no link. Don't lie.

    And once again, you attack a strawman. I said anyone that actually hurt somebody should be tried, not just because they were stationed there. That's idiotic.
    There is no truth or reality in your messages. None were just "stationed there" doing nothing while there.

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