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    Re: Should German WWII vets be arrested?

    Quote Originally Posted by NoC_T View Post
    I've read that Mossad still keeps open files on fugitive Nazis. Dunno if it's true or not.

    I'm conflicted here. I do know that if Hitler himself had escaped and was found hiding out in the Amazon or whatever, his age wouldn't matter to the majority. He'd be extradited and lynched in Tel Aviv. Probably on live TV.
    yeah, I was thinking that but your detractors would say that finding Hitler isn't the same as a regular german soldier who was "just following orders". If someone "orders" you to systematically kill women, children, the crippled and elderly, and you FOLLOW the order, there is not a ring in hell dark enough for you to spend eternity. If they find absolute proof these guys were involved they should be lined up on a wall and shot and ANY remaining holocaust survivors should be permitted to do the shooting.....period

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    Re: Should German WWII vets be arrested?

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    If a WWII German vet participated in atrocities it doesn't matter how old they were at the time.

    If they were just an average soldier fighting in the field, then no. They were serving their country honorably.
    The Waffen SS also performed admirably at the field but they were nonetheless criminals. Same for some soldiers of the Wehrmacht. While it's true that most of the SS carried out the atrocities, the Wehrmacht (though like any other army at that time or in the past and future for that matter) also carried out war crimes. Rape, pillage, massacres, the list is long.
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    Re: Should German WWII vets be arrested?

    Quote Originally Posted by JoeTrumps View Post
    yeah, I was thinking that but your detractors would say that finding Hitler isn't the same as a regular german soldier who was "just following orders". If someone "orders" you to systematically kill women, children, the crippled and elderly, and you FOLLOW the order, there is not a ring in hell dark enough for you to spend eternity. If they find absolute proof these guys were involved they should be lined up on a wall and shot and ANY remaining holocaust survivors should be permitted to do the shooting.....period
    Who knows what these guys got up to? It's almost impossible to believe that they'd have feared punishment for any atrocities they may have committed. Especially not when German soldiers themselves were immune from official sanction, whatever their excesses.

    While I'm less than comfortable with the idea of punishing nonagenarians, I have to say I wouldn't lose any sleep over it for these three. Whatever.

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    Re: Should German WWII vets be arrested?

    Quote Originally Posted by JoeTrumps View Post
    yeah, I was thinking that but your detractors would say that finding Hitler isn't the same as a regular german soldier who was "just following orders". If someone "orders" you to systematically kill women, children, the crippled and elderly, and you FOLLOW the order, there is not a ring in hell dark enough for you to spend eternity. If they find absolute proof these guys were involved they should be lined up on a wall and shot and ANY remaining holocaust survivors should be permitted to do the shooting.....period
    If you and your family is threatened to be shot if you don't follow the order then would you refuse? I would have an incredibly hard time deciding. I would ask, no, beg for them to spare my family and refuse to shoot. I would then probably commit suicide or get killed.
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    Re: Should German WWII vets be arrested?

    It was 70 years ago. Let it go. These men are all old and on death's door anyway. War crimes were committed by both sides, yet I don't see much of an outcry to prosecute those from the other side.
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    Re: Should German WWII vets be arrested?

    Quote Originally Posted by Proud South Korean View Post
    The situation is different. In the present soldiers have ways to report illegal orders even though there may be retribution. Back then there was only death.
    They could have deserted

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    Re: Should German WWII vets be arrested?

    Quote Originally Posted by Proud South Korean View Post
    The Waffen SS also performed admirably at the field but they were nonetheless criminals. Same for some soldiers of the Wehrmacht. While it's true that most of the SS carried out the atrocities, the Wehrmacht (though like any other army at that time or in the past and future for that matter) also carried out war crimes. Rape, pillage, massacres, the list is long.
    That's why I didn't limit my definition of atrocity.

    War is by it's very definition an environment that puts young men in a position that emotions can lead to acts that an average person cannot imagine. All armies from all countries are susceptible to individual troops or small groups of troops committing atrocities out of revenge or some other emotion brought to the surface by the heat of the battlefield.

    I've seen it first hand.

    The average soldier, is not a criminal. No matter what country they are from, or what war they were in.

    The German SS is condemned as a whole. I don't doubt that the majority are rightfully condemned for the actions of the group, since most knew what the SS was when they joined. But, there's a reasonable chance that certain members of the SS didn't participate in atrocities (I AM NOT DEFENDING THEM THOUGH).

    My concern is that once we condemn an entire army or country, for the actions of a few, where does it stop??? What are our options, mass execution or jailing the entire military?

    I know that's not what you meant, but...

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    Re: Should German WWII vets be arrested?

    Quote Originally Posted by Red_Dave View Post
    They could have deserted
    To what end? Go hide and have a high chance of being caught? Remember Germany was totalitarian which made surveillance and capture much more easier.
    Anyways, we're talking about concentration camp guards. In the middle of Germany at the center of extremely tight security, they probably would have been caught and killed anyway. The only chance they might have had was to volunteer for the Waffen SS (many units were composed of former concentration camp guards and some of its most famous commanders-Theodore Eicke and others came from the camps) and desert at the first chance. Either way it's between a rock and a hard place.
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    Re: Should German WWII vets be arrested?

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    That's why I didn't limit my definition of atrocity.

    War is by it's very definition an environment that puts young men in a position that emotions can lead to acts that an average person cannot imagine. All armies from all countries are susceptible to individual troops or small groups of troops committing atrocities out of revenge or some other emotion brought to the surface by the heat of the battlefield.

    I've seen it first hand.

    The average soldier, is not a criminal. No matter what country they are from, or what war they were in.

    The German SS is condemned as a whole. I don't doubt that the majority are rightfully condemned for the actions of the group, since most knew what the SS was when they joined. But, there's a reasonable chance that certain members of the SS didn't participate in atrocities (I AM NOT DEFENDING THEM THOUGH).

    My concern is that once we condemn an entire army or country, for the actions of a few, where does it stop??? What are our options, mass execution or jailing the entire military?

    I know that's not what you meant, but...
    BTW some of the SS most notably those from the Baltics (though there were plenty of volunteers from the Baltics also) were conscripted and they were exempt from punishment. I also agree about you on broad generalizations. There's always been (and always will) be an image of a 'clean' Wehrmacht while the Waffen SS are painted as the only criminals while in reality, much of the Wehrmacht was as bad as the SS and sometimes even worse.
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    Re: Should German WWII vets be arrested?

    Quote Originally Posted by Graffias View Post
    It was 70 years ago. Let it go. These men are all old and on death's door anyway. War crimes were committed by both sides, yet I don't see much of an outcry to prosecute those from the other side.
    I'm not saying you don't know your history, but sit down and watch a holocaust documentary and then come back and give me the "come on, it's been 70 years" garbage. For god's sake they had to come up with a new term(crimes against humanity) to adequately describe the evil these men inflicted on the world. Just because they escaped justice after the war does not mean justice should be denied today.

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