I have been going over this situation a lot. I can see one solution I would be comfortable with...
The system to inspire such acts obviously gets the most blame.
The soldiers and individuals themselves, I think should be psychologically evaluated to see if they should be prosecuted or not. Lie detector maybe? I kept thinking about the documentary about Shin Dong-Hyuk in North Korea. They interviewed two different guards that had worked at the camps. One you could tell couldn't help but feel utter remorse for his actions when he thought about it. The other couldn't help but smile when he thought about it. If they show they seek power at the cost of human rites, even after escaping its throws, they should be prosecuted to the fullest extent.
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Well, if your fantasy tale was true you'd have a point. But, in fact, NONE had to be there. Many did refuse and none were ever court martialed - nor could be. NOR was it ordinary German troops sent there. They tried at first and it didn't work.
The absurd claim? Your's. That there was no difference between a German guard at Auschwitz and a Jew at Auschwitz. That is truly as absurd as it gets.
I have not claimed any German soldier there should be convicted of murder. I have said any should be tried unless they were there a very short time, as none had to stay there. None. Not one. There were not passive guards. All knew exactly what was happening. All were part of the machinery of it. None had to be. Any could have left. They could not be court martialed. None ever were. That was a real shocker at the Nuremberg trial and other war crimes trials. Many Germans did refuse. If so, they were merely transferred elsewhere. They could not be court martialed because the official stance of the German government and military was that it wasn't happening.
Ironically, unlike now in the USA, there were no such secret trials, secret imprisonments or that. Many Germans refused. Others participated but then committed suicide - why they shifted to gassing.
But, you claiming there was basically no difference between a German soldier at Auschwitz and a Jewish family members who were tortured, starved, and murdered - shows you have absolutely no intention to have a legitimate or anything poor-SS-Death-Guard members as the real victims of Auschwitz. VERY SICKO messages you are posting.
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Those crying for the mass murders keep telling the same lie.
No German soldier had to be at the death camps. All could opt out.
In fact, some did when they first used ordinary German soldiers. Others went along, but committed suicide then unable to handle shooting children, women and old people. It rapidly shifted to only SS and those who wanted to be there - often so brutal even it went beyond anything Himmler authorized or would allow. The death camps, for the first couple of years were to be slave labor camps, not for total genocide. Not only at those camps, but across the entirety of actions against Jews the SS and many other Germans went even beyond anything tolerable to the anti-Jew purge. It was not a problem finding German soldiers willing to do so. They had volunteers and waiting lists.
Jews were not human. They could be tormented, tortured, raped, murdered at will. Legal unlimited sadism enhanced by mass propaganda. There were no "I hate being and want out" among German soldiers at death camps. Not one had to be there. They wanted to be there.
There are NO examples of any German soldier being court martials for wishing to leave. There is piles of evidence those there were there specifically because they volunteered and wanted to be there. There are NO recounts of any mercy, any hesitation, and limitation of brutality by any German soldier - ever.
The apologists and defenders of those who did unthinkable mass torture, starvation and murder lie. Incessantly. Absurdly - such as claiming really the Germans doing it were as much victims as the millions not just killed, but first tormented and tortured in every way.
FACT: No German was forced to be in the SS anymore than no soldier in the US Army was forced to be a Green Beret.
FACT: No German soldier or officer at any of the death camps had to be there against his wishes.
FACT: No German soldier or officer could be court martialed for refusing to serve at a death camp.
FACT: German officers and soldiers were there because they volunteered to and wanted to be there.
FACT: No German officer or soldier there was a non-participant in the atrocities.
This is the stance of the defenders of Himmler - though actually they often were so horrific they went beyond even what Himmler would allow:
They could join the KKK. The could volunteer to go along on a lynching. They could stand lookout and guard during the lynching. They could bring the rope. Make the knot. But since they didn't actually didn't hoist the black man up with the rope those KKKers are innocent and RabidA claims are as much a victim as all those murdered because they weren't the actual person who hoisted him up with the rope or did the rapes, torturing and murder.
They were all SS who volunteered to be and wanted to be there. All were participants and wanted to be.
Here is a revealing piece on how the psychology of sadism and particularly against Jews evolved and what it evolved to. It was the true sadist paradise for which the problem was not finding men willing to do so.
Couldn't possibly disagree more.