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    Re: Should German WWII vets be arrested?

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    WWII established "following orders" as not being acceptable for committing genocide. Should have killed their nazi COs instead.
    It actually was established in post-Civil War trials against the South.

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    Re: Should German WWII vets be arrested?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Lol, whatever bro. If you think charging someone with murder who had absolutely nothing to do with the murders is a rational policy, then I can't help you. Guilt by association for an entire military base is ridiculous and completely without precedent in US or German history.

    I'm glad when I was stationed at Ft. Bragg nobody went on a killing spree, otherwise I might get called up in 60 years that they want to charge me with murder because I was stationed there when it happened.
    Exaggerations aren't persuasive.

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    Re: Should German WWII vets be arrested?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    It actually was established in post-Civil War trials against the South.
    Only two Confederate soldiers were tried for war crimes, and in both cases the accused was not on trial for anything they were ordered to do by their commanding officers, but rather decisions they made entirely on their own.

    President Andrew Johnson issued an unconditional pardon to Confederate war veterans in 1868. He decided that it would be better for the country to try to move forward instead of harping on the sins of the past.

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    Re: Should German WWII vets be arrested?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Exaggerations aren't persuasive.
    Here's a more realistic comparison. Remember the Abu Ghraib torture scandal? Do you think that a low ranking soldier who was following orders from his CO and stood guard while the prisoners were being tortured (but did not directly participate, just standing guard) should be charged for being complicit in torture? Because that is essentially what Germany is doing. Germany is going after former soldiers who followed their orders and stood guard.

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    Re: Should German WWII vets be arrested?

    I think too many commenters are overlooking this fact:


    A court decided that by being a worker at a concentration camp he was guilty of being an accessory to murder. This meant that courts did not have to prove active participation in killing to find a suspect guilty of murder, BBC Berlin correspondent Stephen Evans reports.

    This is an outrageous expansion of how we judge people culpable and secondly it creates a crime and a punishment for acts committed which were not crimes because this law didn't come about until much later.

    This is akin to arresting all liberals and charging them with human rights violations for supporting the Civil Rights Acts of 1964 and 1991. Huh? Oh yeah, at some future point some court decides that people who supported these Acts and followed the law are now guilty of stripping people of the right to free association by forcing them to hire people that they didn't want to hire.

    Changing definitions of law, making up new laws and applying them retroactively is freaking evil.

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    Re: Should German WWII vets be arrested?

    Quote Originally Posted by Proud South Korean View Post
    I agree but if my family was threatened, I wouldn't carry out the task and rather commit suicide.
    Then again, most if not all concentration camp guards volunteered so the entire hypothetical is technically incorrect.
    Where did i imply they volunteered?

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    Re: Should German WWII vets be arrested?

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    This is an outrageous expansion of how we judge people culpable and secondly it creates a crime and a punishment for acts committed which were not crimes because this law didn't come about until much later.
    Actually no it isn't its quite consistent with how we can prosecute conspiracies today and how somebody can be held liable as an accomplice both before the fact and after the fact. You don't need to actively murder to be complicit in murder. I'm not quite sure why you would say that actually.

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    Re: Should German WWII vets be arrested?

    Quote Originally Posted by newpublius View Post
    Actually no it isn't its quite consistent with how we can prosecute conspiracies today and how somebody can be held liable as an accomplice both before the fact and after the fact. You don't need to actively murder to be complicit in murder. I'm not quite sure why you would say that actually.
    So every employee who worked for Union Carbide is now guilty of being an accomplice to the deaths which occurred at Bhopal.

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    Re: Should German WWII vets be arrested?

    Quote Originally Posted by Voltaire X View Post
    Germany is STILL arresting WW2 vets because they were stationed at concentration camps.

    BBC News - Germany arrests three suspected Auschwitz guards

    Three men aged 88, 92 and 94 have been detained by German authorities on suspicion of being guards at the Nazi death camp at Auschwitz.

    The homes of a number of men were raided in three German states, months after prosecutors investigating Nazi-era war crimes announced they were recommending charges against 30 people.



    Is this fair? The youngest of the three would have been probably born in 1926, making him no older than 19 when the war ended. Additionally, it's not like these guys volunteered for the war, or even to be guards at Auschwitz. They were forced into it; almost every German male of military age was forced into fighting for the Third Reich. I don't think it's right for us to do this. It's ridiculous for a bunch of people lucky enough to be born in the post-war era to go back and persecute these people for things that happened 70 years ago, especially since these people couldn't have possibly hoped to stop anything. What would have happened if they refused to be guards at Auschwitz? They would have probably just been executed on the spot for refusing to obey orders.

    What you wrote is false. None were forced to be. Any German soldier could refuse to participate and if so they would be transferred out. Because the genocide was not formal German policy they would not court martial any German soldier who refused without a trial that would put such actions on record. Until the end, the German military had very strict protocols including for court martials.

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    Re: Should German WWII vets be arrested?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fruityfact View Post
    Not to disrespect those that died, but I think we should let bygones be bygones
    Any person who participated in the death camps - whether German soldier, any other nationality soldier such as Ukranian etc or even Judas goat Jew - should be tried and held accountable even if on their death bed.

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