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    Should companies be fined for firing or reducing hours of workers to get out of ACA..

    Should companies be fined for firing or reducing hours of workers to get out of ACA employer mandate? I was listening to Rush Limbaugh the other day and he was complaining about this trying to make it about a speech issue.But one could argue that a company that is deliberately reducing the hours of their employees or firing their employees in order to get exempted from the employer mandate is a form of fraud.


    Mostly this question is aimed at Obama-care supporters. Because I know that anyone who is against it is going to say no they shouldn't be fined.
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    Re: Should companies be fined for firing or reducing hours of workers to get out of A

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Should companies be fined for firing or reducing hours of workers to get out of ACA employer mandate? I was listening to Rush Limbaugh the other day and he was complaining about this trying to make it about a speech issue.But one could argue that a company that is deliberately reducing the hours of their employees or firing their employees in order to get exempted from the employer mandate is a form of fraud.

    Mostly this question is aimed at Obama-care supporters. Because I know that anyone who is against it is going to say no they shouldn't be fined.
    If you fine comps for firing workers you will have to fine individuals for purposely staying in an income bracket that lets them get subsidized health care.

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    Re: Should companies be fined for firing or reducing hours of workers to get out of A

    I'm pretty sure in another thread about this it shows that if a company does reduce hours or workers just to get the waiver, they will be refused the waiver. There's no fine involved.
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    Re: Should companies be fined for firing or reducing hours of workers to get out of A

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    If you fine comps for firing workers you will have to fine individuals for purposely staying in an income bracket that lets them get subsidized health care.
    How do you prove that a individual purposely stayed in that income bracket to get subsidized? With a company it can be pretty obvious that if they had so many full time employees before the ACA was even thought of or if they have a hundred or so employees but they are all part timers, contract labor or temp workers.
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    Re: Should companies be fined for firing or reducing hours of workers to get out of A

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Should companies be fined for firing or reducing hours of workers to get out of ACA employer mandate? I was listening to Rush Limbaugh the other day and he was complaining about this trying to make it about a speech issue.But one could argue that a company that is deliberately reducing the hours of their employees or firing their employees in order to get exempted from the employer mandate is a form of fraud.


    Mostly this question is aimed at Obama-care supporters. Because I know that anyone who is against it is going to say no they shouldn't be fined.
    That is an interesting question . I'll be curious to see how anyone will argue that the government should fine.

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    Re: Should companies be fined for firing or reducing hours of workers to get out of A

    I'm all for the idea of universal health care, I want everybody to have access to the health care they need.

    I'm not at all a fan of how the ACA is mandated however. I know the argument goes deep on this topic but I believe that the way it's being done is wrong for America on a number of very fundamental levels. And it pisses me off. So I'll stop talking about it because I don't want to waste any time arguing it.

    So I vote "no" based upon my absolute opposition to the ACA and how it is being implemented.
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    Re: Should companies be fined for firing or reducing hours of workers to get out of A

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    How do you prove that a individual purposely stayed in that income bracket to get subsidized? With a company it can be pretty obvious that if they had so many full time employees before the ACA was even thought of or if they have a hundred or so employees but they are all part timers, contract labor or temp workers.
    It would be just as difficult to prove the reason a comp laid off workers as it would be to prove the reason an individual turned down a promotion.

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    Re: Should companies be fined for firing or reducing hours of workers to get out of A

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Should companies be fined for firing or reducing hours of workers to get out of ACA employer mandate? I was listening to Rush Limbaugh the other day and he was complaining about this trying to make it about a speech issue.But one could argue that a company that is deliberately reducing the hours of their employees or firing their employees in order to get exempted from the employer mandate is a form of fraud.


    Mostly this question is aimed at Obama-care supporters. Because I know that anyone who is against it is going to say no they shouldn't be fined.
    To me it has nothing to do with O'Care but rather the freedom that a company should have to make choices as to how to reduce costs to remain competitive in their chosen market.

    This is similar, IMHO, to prevailing wage laws. Companies that want to reduce costs can locate in a Right To Work state or have an open shop in other states. Companies should not be required to make commitments to employees that may threaten the survivability of the company.

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    Re: Should companies be fined for firing or reducing hours of workers to get out of A

    Off with their heads.

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    Re: Should companies be fined for firing or reducing hours of workers to get out of A

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    It would be just as difficult to prove the reason a comp laid off workers as it would be to prove the reason an individual turned down a promotion.
    Some of the companies have been stating that they will lay off reduce workers because of Obama-care.So it would be really easy regarding those companies.
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