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This makes me sick

Should Staff Sergeant Cherish Byres get a dsihonorable discharge

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sawyerloggingon said:
I guess this pic has gone viral. It makes me want to vomit and this so called lady needs to be dishonorably discharged IMO.

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I'm not sure why, but I think that is funny as hell.

And don't ask me why I think it is so funny because I don't want to or need to know.

Sometimes a good laugh should be just left at that.
 
Hard Truth said:
Symbols are symbols, not the actual thing or idea represented. Arguably, she was showing attraction to the man in the POW logo. It was probably just a silly joke and no actual POW/MIAs were harmed, only people looking for a reason to be outraged.
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I agree with you.
 
The whole POW/MIA "issue" and religion-like cult of advocates left over from the Viet Nam war was based on silly Rambo-style wishful thinking and myths.
 
The picture shows Byers wearing her senior airman's rank insignia. Although it was taken almost three years ago, it has only now gone viral.
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I wonder what the statute of limitations is on something like this. Seems it well past or should be. If it were so outrageous and hatefilled, why did it take three years for anyone to notice. Seems like punishing her now is just reactive stupidity.
 
I think a dishonorable discharge is too far. If she is still in the military three years after the incident, she's obviously doing something right and must have contributed a lot in her service.
 
sawyerloggingon said:
I guess this pic has gone viral. It makes me want to vomit and this so called lady needs to be dishonorably discharged IMO.

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It's clearly in poor form but I find artificial super-patriotism more distasteful. People who are really 'sick to their stomachs' over a photo like this need to reexamine their priorities in my opinion.
 
mak2 said:
A dishonorable is about the same thing as the death penalty to the military. I seen exactly one the entire time I was in legal and it was for a guy with a kilo of cocaine on base and a history of bad actions.
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That's what I've heard. I'm not in the military but I have military family and they've said if you are dishonorably discharged you also don't receive any veteran benefits either and it's almost as if you never served in the first place on top of the disgrace of being dishonorably discharged from service. I think doing that to someone over a more immaturely done photo is far too harsh of an action.
 
Paschendale said:
In this country we do not elevate symbols over people. Ever. No one has to treat any symbol any specific way. What is truly sickening is the idea that those who are fighting for this country are not entitled to its basic liberties. Even if someone could demonstrate that she intended disrespect toward POWs (which doesn't seem to be the case, she was simply joking around), she is entitled to do that. Unless this is somehow an interference with her duties (which I don't see how it could be), the idea that she should face punishment for exercising her rights as an American is ludicrous.
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It really isn't that simple. As servicemembers, we really do lose certain rights/privileges when it comes to how it may reflect upon the military. It would be one thing if she did something like this out of uniform, but quite another to do it in uniform and post it publicly. There are actually rules that we must follow in the military regarding respect to certain symbols and traditions, particularly when it comes to while we are wearing the uniform. While some suggestions on what her punishment should be are way overboard for the offense, it is not wrong to expect her to be punished for her actions here. It simply should not be a harsh punishment at all. Heck it is even something that could be handled at a lower level than NJP.
 
What was her intent? Was she purposely engaging in behavior meant to dishonor POW/MIA's? Or was she making a bad joke? I can't help but shake my head at all the self-righteous individuals in this thread who've never committed a days service to their nation pretending that they have some ability to read the mind of a troop or make intelligent comparisons about what type of conduct actually goes on while in service. This? It's in really bad taste. But it's nothing compared to a lot of other things many of us have seen tolerated by military leadership. Nothing.

Summary Article 15 is probably appropriate. This isn't even close to some of the heinous **** I've seen in the military, things done by service members in uniform that never get addressed because "hey **** happens sometimes." You don't throw away all the good service she has given, the money spent training her, and her expertise and future contributions to this nation over something like this.

And to you stupid mother****ers who keep puking the term "liberal" as some military hating pejorative...get over yourself. You look like ****ing morons when you do it.
 
Really dumb behavior for the airman to do, but not enough to be kicked out of the military. I think she should be disciplined and her actions put into her record. Could be a career ending thing in the long run, or maybe just a dumb mistake and she might be able to redeem herself over time through good performance reviews and conduct.

Now if it were that she was an officer I might be inclined to feel differently about it, as I would put a greater responsibility on those tasked with being in leadership roles.

Personally, I think her behavior is offensive as hell. But I also understand that young people do stupid things sometimes, and it important to view those individuals within a context that includes a totality of their service. This is black-mark, but just one as far as we know.
 
Dragonfly said:
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I'd hit it!!!

Too soon?

Anyhow...

My thoughts on this topic: who gives a ****.

If this is something that gets your panties in a twist you need to invest in a cat or a hula hoop or something else to occupy the enormous amount of time you're wasting being offended over Interwebz nonsense.

I've done worse while wearing a uniform and had a LTC buy me beer for it.

If you've worn a uniform and haven't acted like an ass while a lower enlisted you're a brown-nosing lifer POG.

No kicking her out, no Article 15, not even a counseling statement.

Let 1SG scream at her a little bit and have her do some pushups.

The rest of us can just thank her for her service during a time of war.
 
roguenuke said:
It really isn't that simple. As servicemembers, we really do lose certain rights/privileges when it comes to how it may reflect upon the military. It would be one thing if she did something like this out of uniform, but quite another to do it in uniform and post it publicly. There are actually rules that we must follow in the military regarding respect to certain symbols and traditions, particularly when it comes to while we are wearing the uniform. While some suggestions on what her punishment should be are way overboard for the offense, it is not wrong to expect her to be punished for her actions here. It simply should not be a harsh punishment at all. Heck it is even something that could be handled at a lower level than NJP.[/QUOTE

Like I said we don't know what her record is like.....If good then I go along with the NJP.
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roguenuke said:
It really isn't that simple. As servicemembers, we really do lose certain rights/privileges when it comes to how it may reflect upon the military. It would be one thing if she did something like this out of uniform, but quite another to do it in uniform and post it publicly. There are actually rules that we must follow in the military regarding respect to certain symbols and traditions, particularly when it comes to while we are wearing the uniform. While some suggestions on what her punishment should be are way overboard for the offense, it is not wrong to expect her to be punished for her actions here. It simply should not be a harsh punishment at all. Heck it is even something that could be handled at a lower level than NJP.
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Ever stop to think that maybe that kind of restriction is unnecessary? That sort of groupthink comes from military traditions from a very long time ago, when a military was mainly made up of conscripted peasants who were sent off to fight someone else's conscripted peasants in order to win land or power for this aristocrat or another and were killed if they said they didn't want to. It took that kind of abolition of self in order to buy into the whole deal. I would think that our modern soldiers are a bit more worthy than conscripted middle ages peasants. Not that the whole "poor people dying to serve the interests of rich people" thing has changed at all, but at least there is some semblance of actual service to the nation in the mix.

There just isn't any kind of need to dehumanize people in order for them to accomplish these tasks, especially for people who aren't the behind enemy lines strike force types. And especially not for those people who sign up to risk their lives to defend the very same liberties that are suddenly denied to them. It's too hypocritical to ask that of them, and probably unnecessary.
 
Lutherf said:
No significant numbers?

If it's your kid or your spouse then ONE is pretty damned significant!!:censored
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Just like "FOUR" dying in Benghazi---stop the presses. "ONE" is the most important number ever, but if it's 24 second graders in Connecticut getting blown to bits by a nut with an AR-15, then all that matters is that no one takes away our gun rights.

Look, soldiers sign up knowing the risks. It's not like they don't reap a bunch of benefits when nothing goes wrong. So...sometimes, something goes wrong. Big deal.
 
Paschendale said:
Ever stop to think that maybe that kind of restriction is unnecessary? That sort of groupthink comes from military traditions from a very long time ago, when a military was mainly made up of conscripted peasants who were sent off to fight someone else's conscripted peasants in order to win land or power for this aristocrat or another and were killed if they said they didn't want to. It took that kind of abolition of self in order to buy into the whole deal. I would think that our modern soldiers are a bit more worthy than conscripted middle ages peasants. Not that the whole "poor people dying to serve the interests of rich people" thing has changed at all, but at least there is some semblance of actual service to the nation in the mix.

There just isn't any kind of need to dehumanize people in order for them to accomplish these tasks, especially for people who aren't the behind enemy lines strike force types. And especially not for those people who sign up to risk their lives to defend the very same liberties that are suddenly denied to them. It's too hypocritical to ask that of them, and probably unnecessary.
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It does serve a purpose though. There needs to be a higher level of discipline in the military than what is found in the majority of the civilian world. While some things are completely idiotic, there are still rules.

And there is nothing "dehumanizing" about punishing a person (with a reasonable punishment) for breaking a rule because they did something stupid and what can be viewed as disrespectful. It really wouldn't be much different than the civilian world in that aspect. Heck, there are things people could do of a similar nature in a civilian job that actually would get them fired. I'm sure if a person who worked at Chick-Fil-A were to go out in public, wearing their Chick-Fil-A uniform and started kissing random strangers or burned the Bible or something of that nature, they would most likely be punished, and very possibly even fired. The only difference I see here is because it is a government job and the punishment shouldn't be losing her job for something like this. It could even be something like doing extra training or having to clean the POW/MIA table/emblem for a week or something.
 
calamity said:
Just like "FOUR" dying in Benghazi---stop the presses. "ONE" is the most important number ever, but if it's 24 second graders in Connecticut getting blown to bits by a nut with an AR-15, then all that matters is that no one takes away our gun rights.
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That's just asinine.

If one innocent kids gets blown away by a psycho that's a tragedy and NOBODY has said any different.
 
Hard Truth said:
The whole POW/MIA "issue" and religion-like cult of advocates left over from the Viet Nam war was based on silly Rambo-style wishful thinking and myths.
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Please explain further. Just want to make sure I understand your point.
 
calamity said:
When Hawaii was "attacked" it wasn't even a state. So, forgive me for not seeing how anything that happened there affects my freedom.

Granted, it is a nice vacation destination today. But....it's not like Japan was bombing US cities and threatening our freedom. Ok?
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You cannot possibly be that stupid or that ignorant of history. I can only conclude that you are a troll.
 
Dishonorable discharge is completely out of whack with reality. I wonder why...
 
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