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    Re: This makes me sick

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    Hitler was not a choirboy. We weren't so much allied with Stalin as we were fighting a common enemy. There were no joint U.S./Soviet military actions. Something you would know if you had even a high school knowledge of the history of the Second World War.
    Stalin killed more people both before and after the War than Hitler did during it.

    Adolf killed maybe 10 million total; Stalin, at least 30 million.

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    Re: This makes me sick

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Stalin killed more people both before and after the War than Hitler did during it.

    Adolf killed maybe 10 million total; Stalin, at least 30 million.
    Yeah, but Stalin had a much longer career.
    Hitler's mass-murdering career was shortened by the world's do-gooders.
    Also, Pol Pot may hold the record for most murders in shortest time span.
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    Re: This makes me sick

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Stalin killed more people both before and after the War than Hitler did during it.

    Adolf killed maybe 10 million total; Stalin, at least 30 million.
    This is true. I understand the controversial elements of our relationship with Stalin and the Soviet Union during the war. But it's not like we came out and endorsed Stalin's tactics. In fact we really would have probably preferred to have never been aligned with them in the first place for the very thing you've highlighted here. Stalin was a sociopathic meglomaniacal asshole. However we had an enemy in common and it made tactical and strategic sense to work with them against Germany as opposed to alienating them at the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by radioman View Post
    Yeah, but Stalin had a much longer career.
    Hitler's mass-murdering career was shortened by the world's do-gooders.
    Also, Pol Pot may hold the record for most murders in shortest time span.
    Truman---Hiroshima.

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    Re: This makes me sick

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Truman---Hiroshima.
    You consider what President Truman did murder?
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    Re: This makes me sick

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You consider what President Truman did murder?
    What do you call dropping a nuke on innocent women and children in a country which is already defeated?

    Typical American Bull****:

    Japan attacks our naval base on an island in the middle of the Pacific that is not even a state yet--worst thing ever

    We nuke a city in Japan, killing a 1/4 million women, children and old men---heroic effort to end the war.

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    Re: This makes me sick

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    What do you call dropping a nuke on innocent women and children in a country which is already defeated?
    Interesting characterization of events. And no, the Japanese weren't "already defeated".

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    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Interesting characterization of events. And no, the Japanese weren't "already defeated".
    Yes they were.

    Surrender of Japan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    By 1945, the Japanese had suffered an unbroken string of defeats for nearly two years in the South West Pacific, the Marianas campaign, and the Philippines campaign. In July 1944, following the loss of Saipan, General Hideki Tōjō was replaced as prime minister by General Kuniaki Koiso, who declared that the Philippines would be the site of the decisive battle.[1] After the Japanese loss of the Philippines, Koiso in turn was replaced by Admiral Kantarō Suzuki. The Allies captured the nearby islands of Iwo Jima and Okinawa in the first half of 1945. Okinawa was to be a staging area for Operation Downfall, the American invasion of the Japanese Home Islands.[2] Following Germany's defeat, the Soviet Union quietly began redeploying its battle-hardened European forces to the Far East, in addition to about forty divisions that had been stationed there since 1941, as a counterbalance to the million-strong Kwantung Army.[3]

    The Allied submarine campaign and the mining of Japanese coastal waters had largely destroyed the Japanese merchant fleet. With few natural resources, Japan was dependent on raw materials, particularly oil, imported from Manchuria and other parts of the East Asian mainland, and from the conquered territory in the Dutch East Indies.[4] The destruction of the Japanese merchant fleet, combined with the strategic bombing of Japanese industry, had wrecked Japan's war economy. Production of coal, iron, steel, rubber, and other vital supplies was only a fraction of that before the war.
    They were already negotiating a surrender...obviously, because they were on the verge of starving and had nothing left with which to mount a sustained defense. Nuking them was simply a convenient way to ice that cake while also serving as the perfect test site for the new weapon.

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    Re: This makes me sick

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    What do you call dropping a nuke on innocent women and children in a country which is already defeated?

    Typical American Bull****:

    Japan attacks our naval base on an island in the middle of the Pacific that is not even a state yet--worst thing ever

    We nuke a city in Japan, killing a 1/4 million women, children and old men---heroic effort to end the war.
    That is so much bull ****.........In and invasion of the Japanese mainland which is what we would of had to do it was estimated we could lose a million men.......Maybe your father......think about it. The Japanese were really dug in and were willing to fight to the death.........Did you ever hear of a kamikaze? After the first bomb they were warned....They ignored the warning.
    Last edited by Navy Pride; 02-22-14 at 01:01 AM.
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    Re: This makes me sick

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    That is so much bull ****.........In and invasion of the Japanese mainland which is what we would of had to do it was estimated we could lose a million men.......Maybe your father......think about it. The Japanese were really dug in and were willing to fight to the death.........Did you ever hear of a kamikaze? After the first bomb they were warned....They ignored the warning.
    Nonsense. There was no need to invade. Japan was done, the were beaten and knew it. in the end, they were looking to negotiate a favorable peace settlement. Truman wanted unconditional surrender. Fact is the bomb was dropped somthat negotiations would not be necessary.

    It was mass murder done for convenience.

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