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    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Do you think Germany would have been beaten without Russia's help?
    Germany attacked Russia. What the hell are you talking about? It's us, the US, that should have stayed the hell out of that war...actually, the staying out began 25-30 years earlier in WW1. We had no business getting into that one. Woodrow Wilson's fault.

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    Re: This makes me sick

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo View Post
    Rapes and suicides in the military are covered in several other threads. This is about disrespecting the uniform and what it represents.

    Again, those casualties are what has given forum members the right to say stupid things.
    nonsense. Those casualties have made rich men richer--or, are you telling us that Vietnam casualties somehow ensured our freedom?

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    Re: This makes me sick

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Germany attacked Russia. What the hell are you talking about? It's us, the US, that should have stayed the hell out of that war...actually, the staying out began 25-30 years earlier in WW1. We had no business getting into that one. Woodrow Wilson's fault.
    Allied policy was controlled by Roosevelt, Stalin and Churchill. They collaborated in strategies and policies to defeat Hitler. Without Russia's cooperation in military strategy the outcome of WW2 may well have been far different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    nonsense. Those casualties have made rich men richer--or, are you telling us that Vietnam casualties somehow ensured our freedom?
    Off topic and an attempt at diversion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Allied policy was controlled by Roosevelt, Stalin and Churchill. They collaborated in strategies and policies to defeat Hitler. Without Russia's cooperation in military strategy the outcome of WW2 may well have been far different.
    Russia would have beaten Hitler eventually with or without our help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo View Post
    Off topic and an attempt at diversion.
    Not really. It goes to support my argument and explains why I don't kowtow to the propaganda of memorializing the mercenaries who fought to further the war machine.

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    Re: This makes me sick

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Allied policy was controlled by Roosevelt, Stalin and Churchill. They collaborated in strategies and policies to defeat Hitler. Without Russia's cooperation in military strategy the outcome of WW2 may well have been far different.
    Russia only took care of it's own, and what it always wanted to possess. Without them Germany would have been defeated just like they were, after the US and British were done with the Japanese.

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    Our alliance with Stalin was certainly questionable in terms of morality. Strategically it made perfect sense at the time.

    I don't think you can accurately predict what would happened had Russia not been in the equation. Had Germany not went after Russia, which would have kept Russia from going to war as they were for the most part happy to stay at peace with Germany, most of Germany's military power would have been focused on fortifying Western Europe and then taking Great Britain. Or at least rendering them combat ineffective. There is no indication that Stalin would have attacked Germany had Operation Barbarossa not been launched.

    A big factor in the Allied success in Western Europe was how much German men and material had to be diverted east to deal with Russia. Hitler sealed his fate when he attacked Russia. It's quite possible that Hitler would have been able to develop atomic weapons and used them had we not been able to end the war with Germany when we did. And there is a good chance we wouldn't have without Russian involvement. If Hitler gets atomic bombs and flattens Great Britain the entire conflict goes differently.

    Germany and Russia had a non-aggression pact that was also aimed at restoring central Europe to pre-World War 1 lines of control. Hitlers ideology towards the east is what did Germany in if you ask me.
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    Re: This makes me sick

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Russia only took care of it's own, and what it always wanted to possess. Without them Germany would have been defeated just like they were, after the US and British were done with the Japanese.
    Well that might or might not be true. You're giving a hypothetical but not looking at a few important things that very well could have changed with the addition of just a couple of years time or less. Had Nazi leadership put more of an emphasis on developing their atomic weapons program and had a bit more time there is no doubt they would have become a nuclear power and used those weapons against the Allies. Germany drops the bomb on Great Britain and it's a game changer for the U.S.
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    I apologize for participating in the derailment of this thread. I know this isn't about World War 2 alliances and what-ifs, it was just very interesting.
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