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    Re: This makes me sick

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    When Hawaii was "attacked" it wasn't even a state. So, forgive me for not seeing how anything that happened there affects my freedom.

    Granted, it is a nice vacation destination today. But....it's not like Japan was bombing US cities and threatening our freedom. Ok?
    Regardless men and women died there during the fight. It was a strategic naval facility that served to base our Pacific fleet assets that were in fact charged with, among other things, protecting the mainland from enemy naval forces. State or not it's value in the defense of our western coast is without question and was instrumental in our eventual offensive to defeat Japan.

    Had the Japanese been able to secure Pearl Harbor and keep our Pacific fleet contained they would have absolutely used it as a base from which to launch naval and air attacks against the U.S. Possibly even a ground offensive, but that would not have had much chance of success.
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    Re: This makes me sick

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Imagine how far back you would have to go with lewd behavior.
    I don't imagine pissing on dead enemy soldiers caused any harm to our World-Wide image huh,
    let alone how many of our soldiers may have died due to more Muslims joining up.

    And we all know how brilliant "Bring It On" was, a quote that will live in infamy .
    Pissing on a dead enemy soldier is meant to boost moral in our troops and degrade moral in enemy troops. This pic is exactly the kind of pic the North Vietnamese would have had Jane Fonda take if they had thought of it.

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    Re: This makes me sick

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Pissing on a dead enemy soldier is meant to boost moral in our troops and degrade moral in enemy troops. This pic is exactly the kind of pic the North Vietnamese would have had Jane Fonda take if they had thought of it.
    So now the OP needs to bring in Jane Fonda and the Noth Vietnamese to make his point. What point was that again sawyer? My older Vietnam buddies still have pics of dead VC heads on their choppers. Do you approve of that for boosting morale also ?
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    Re: This makes me sick

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    No one said there shouldn't be rules, but we're talking about the merits of a few particular ones. And actually, I disagree about the necessary amount of discipline. Unless the job in question is specifically going into high risk combat zones, there is no more discipline needed to do the same job for the military is there is anywhere else. A military doctor needs no more restrictions on their behavior than a civilian. Nor a technician, a cargo plane pilot, a lawyer, a clerk, or really anything else besides exchanging fire with the enemy, which is becoming a smaller and smaller part of what the military does.



    I was referring to the whole mentality of strict adherence to command, the "break them down and build them back up" that basic training is notorious for. Going in that direction can be a good thing, but I argue that we're farther than we ought to be.



    That makes a huge difference. Anything beyond the specific duties that a person is employed to perform shouldn't matter, though. The Chick-Fil-A person's conduct outside of the store shouldn't matter, and most of their conduct unrelated to selling sandwiches shouldn't matter either. Just the same way that this woman's actions besides her duties shouldn't matter. Nor should anyone, every, anywhere, face any kind of punishment for their attitude towards a symbol. That is as un-American as we can possibly get.
    If you are in the uniform of the people you work for, you represent that place, whether you mean to or not. So yes, your conduct does affect those you work for. And this is even more true for a place like the military.
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    Re: This makes me sick

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Symbols are symbols, not the actual thing or idea represented. Arguably, she was showing attraction to the man in the POW logo. It was probably just a silly joke and no actual POW/MIAs were harmed, only people looking for a reason to be outraged.
    Maybe she's just protesting for co-ed barracks.

    If she's so horny and frustrated that she has to make out with a flag...

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    Re: This makes me sick

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    Regardless men and women died there during the fight. It was a strategic naval facility that served to base our Pacific fleet assets that were in fact charged with, among other things, protecting the mainland from enemy naval forces. State or not it's value in the defense of our western coast is without question and was instrumental in our eventual offensive to defeat Japan.

    Had the Japanese been able to secure Pearl Harbor and keep our Pacific fleet contained they would have absolutely used it as a base from which to launch naval and air attacks against the U.S. Possibly even a ground offensive, but that would not have had much chance of success.
    OK. So why did the Democrats expand "lend-lease" to include China during their war with Japan, impose economic sanctions on Japan, impose forced conscription on US citizens and then move the Pacific fleet from San Diego, where it could protect the USA to Pearl Harbor?

    The US did not have to take sides in that war. Japan was not a threat to the USA.

    Not only did FDR make slaves out of US citizens by conscripting them into the military, he also imposed wage freezes on the men & women working for the military-industrial complex.

    FDR was one evil mother****er.

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    Re: This makes me sick

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    If you are in the uniform of the people you work for, you represent that place, whether you mean to or not. So yes, your conduct does affect those you work for. And this is even more true for a place like the military.
    That seems very silly. Only someone actually designated to speak for an organization should be representing it. Despite the paranoia that a lot of businesses have, most of the actions of their employees are completely innocuous. And that's with the constant fear that unreasonable customers will decide to avoid your business over something trite like this (Ellen Simonetti - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia). But the military doesn't need to sell its product, so why the extra doses of crazy? Maybe it's just about exercising power over people. And that is the antithesis of what we believe in this country.

    You keep saying that the military is different, but you don't have any good reason for WHY it should be so.
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    Re: This makes me sick

    it is a reasonably big deal but not one this lady should be fired about. The US military needs every able bodied person it has in it's ranks. She should perhaps be demoted or docked pay for her serious lack of respect. But it is not like she is urinating on fallen enemies.
    Former military man (and now babysitter of Donald Trump) John Kelly, is a big loud lying empty barrel!

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    Re: This makes me sick

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    That seems very silly. Only someone actually designated to speak for an organization should be representing it. Despite the paranoia that a lot of businesses have, most of the actions of their employees are completely innocuous. And that's with the constant fear that unreasonable customers will decide to avoid your business over something trite like this (Ellen Simonetti - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia). But the military doesn't need to sell its product, so why the extra doses of crazy? Maybe it's just about exercising power over people. And that is the antithesis of what we believe in this country.

    You keep saying that the military is different, but you don't have any good reason for WHY it should be so.
    That is not how it works in reality though no matter how much people may wish it did.
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    Re: This makes me sick

    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammed View Post
    OK. So why did the Democrats expand "lend-lease" to include China during their war with Japan, impose economic sanctions on Japan, impose forced conscription on US citizens and then move the Pacific fleet from San Diego, where it could protect the USA to Pearl Harbor?

    The US did not have to take sides in that war. Japan was not a threat to the USA.

    Not only did FDR make slaves out of US citizens by conscripting them into the military, he also imposed wage freezes on the men & women working for the military-industrial complex.

    FDR was one evil mother****er.
    I don't agree with all Muhammed said about FDR etc., but it does seem like we didn't want Japanese imperialism in the pacific to interfere with our imperialism in the pacific, and having a naval base in Hawaii was something of a provocation. On the other, the world is probably better off without one nation, Japan, dominating the pacific and Asia.

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